Just read this post, looks like M$ users like bing than Google.
Interesting comment from one user:
Wow, not me. Windows has the apps I use everyday. Google OS is just a bunch of hype. And I have GMail, so I know what you mean. I like GMail and the RSS Reader. But Chrome OS? Come on… Surely you are kidding. Google Apps are horrible. I’ll stick with Office, my BlackBerry, and Enterprise Services. Looking forward to Windows 7.
Windows 7??? i think he is referring to Vista 7(mean Vista with new SP).
Bing has already taken market share from Google partly because its search algorithms are better than the existing Google ones; but Google is expected to remedy that shortly anyway.
The importance of Bing for MS is that it is a source of advertising revenue to compensate for the losses of revenue it is suffering in other areas.
I think MS lost it’s mojo in '98. That’s kind of been the last time
I recall anything coming out of MS still being half way cool.
It’s just taken awhile for the train to slow down after the engine stalled.
My wife, a winXP fan, was complaining that Explorer by default goes to Bing. … She had to dig deep within Explorer menu’s to figure out how to change Explorer’s default search engine from Bing to Google. She actually prefers Firefox browser, but there are some Thai language web sites that Explorer handles much better than Firefox (and hence her needing to use Explorer on occasion).
IMHO this MS-Explorer setting is a classic case of Microsoft levering its monopoly to give itself an arguably unfair competitive advantage (depending on one’s view on the fairness of monopolies). ie MS-Explorer is the default browser, and now Bing is the default Search Engine for MS-Explorer, which means Bing is now the default Search Engine for Windows. … :\
> IMHO this MS-Explorer setting is a classic case of Microsoft levering
> its monopoly to give itself an arguably unfair competitive advantage
> (depending on one’s view on the fairness of monopolies). ie MS-Explorer
> is the default browser, and now Bing is the default Search Engine for
> MS-Explorer, which means Bing is now the default Search Engine for
> Windows. … :\
It’s a rather non straight forward process to change it as well unlike
Firefox’s method.
Could be … I don’t use Windoze so I would not know how easy or difficult. HOWEVER despite a lot of Firefox hype that one reads, I do know Microsoft has a monopoly on operating systems that Firefox does not have. Hence IMHO there is no need for Firefox to make it straightforward, however for Microsoft to even create a default (as opposed to offering a choice upon first running Explorer) will likely be considered by many as a monopolistic practice, where in some countries of the world such practices are illegal.
Yup, was going to say that… I think end users for increased that way a lot. But that is microsoft. In the same way Firefox’s default search engine is Google, IE’s default is Bing now. And there are a lots and lots of people for whom it does not matter what is the search engine. They may not even know that their search engine has changed rotfl!
I really do not have something against M$ software, but their strategy is not right. They do not sell their product by making it better, but by making it next to impossible to run M$ software in cohesion with others software.
I recently updated my Vista to install SP2, but it failed and screwed my Vista. On research I found that Vista SP2 packs do not install successfully on systems which dual boot with other OS’s(I dual boot Vista and openSUSE).
This really makes me angry at M$(Not their software but the people). I try to keep myself as much as far from any windows application and I do not even use wine for that purpose
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Would not that apply the same to Firefox who have google as default search engine?? Even Firefox do not give you a choice on the first run.
On the other hand, Windows does ask you for a default web browser on the first run. When I upgraded from IE7 to IE8, and ran it first time, it did give out a list of search engines and asked me to set the default one… Google was there also.
> I do
> know Microsoft has a monopoly on operating systems that Firefox does not
> have. Hence IMHO there is no need for Firefox to make it
> straightforward
Which is precisely why Firefox has the high ground on this. Nobody forced
them to make it that way.
> however for Microsoft to even create a default (as
> opposed to offering a choice upon first running Explorer) will likely be
> considered by many as a monopolistic practice, where in some countries
> of the world such practices are illegal.
They offer a choice at install time, but it’s about unintuitive as you would
expect.
In ie6 (absolutely won’t chance an upgrade) default is MSN but I get around it by setting home page to google. Opera default is homepage and top right I can switch on the fly to many search engines (but replaced by firefox). Firefox in both Windose and Linux again has search engine choice top right.
My friend upgraded to ie7 on XP and despite system serious slowdowns her search engine is google and home page is google. When she upgraded to ie8, she got this bing crap accompanied by a broken system. After trashing windows XP and reinstalling with ie7 she is back to being happier.
I just don’t care what hype M$ has about anything, I will stick with Firefox in both windows & Linux. I encounter so few websites and searches that fail using Firefox it’s more a non-issue for me, but I am interested in learning more specifics of what the problems are and their effect on the internet experience.:\
And i think in this case, that websites are tested/developed under IE rather than other browsers, and we all know that IE is not following the W3C standards while other browsers do. FF is good in that.
ah! your talking about the rather sloppy design done by frontpage and ie processing that sloppy stuff where other browsers complain. Possibly even related for example M$ adoption of allowing code in jpg’s which is clearly outside the standards.
And what’s Internet Explorer? Never used that. Please explain it to me
Btw what’s better in Bing so it would make me switch from Google
I just remember, that i open that bing thing one time, when 1st i heard about it, and i search two terms in it “openSUSE”,“Linux”. And then close that tab, after that i don’t know, what is Bing…just some time read in articles about it…thats all.
2nd post from john_hudson:
Bing has already taken market share from Google partly because its search algorithms are better than the existing Google ones; but Google is expected to remedy that shortly anyway.
The importance of Bing for MS is that it is a source of advertising revenue to compensate for the losses of revenue it is suffering in other areas.
As for their implementation of Media Player, Internet Explorer in their OS, I guess the EC will now sue and fine M$ for the way the implement Bing.
Being a linux only user (I have a legal XP in a VM, only use it as some kind of live manual), I’m not going to use Bing, and wait for the moment we can welcome an open source, add-free search engine. Until then I’ll use Google.
This to keep me from talking about search engines in countries with “questionable” regimes.
The tools are there. I’m sure there are Python developers out there who would be interested in the idea. Finding sponsors, however, might be a problem. Companies like Novell and RedHat invest in Linux and OSS knowing there is some tangible return. How would an ad-free search engine, without the data collection and intrusion of sites like Google, be in their interests in the long run?
>It’s a rather non straight forward process to change it as well unlike
>Firefox’s method.
Really? On my IE (IE7) I just click on the “down” button on the right of
the search box and chose the option “find more providers”. Then I get to a
page where I can choose between half a dozen search providers and I can
add my own. After selecting one, I then get asked whether I want that
provider to be the default search provider.
I can’t imagine how you can make ching the search provider even simpler.
