Hello to everybody!
I’m planning to do a clean openSUSE 11 install with kde 4.1 and need to know the best way to do it: I need a wining strategy…
If I understand well, the “one-click-install” for kde 4.1 points to the Factory repositories but, AFAIK, Factory repositories are for the development of openSUSE 11.1 and I wonder if that could carry some trouble in the future with updates to alpha releases of something. I don’t want to have alpha versions installed on my system, just a stable openSUSE 11 with a stable kde 4.1. Is there a way to do that?
Thanks in advance
Hello to everybody!
According to opensuse news, factory kde 4.1 is now final.
You can use one click install, at that link, to install 4.1.
It seems like there are a lot of problems with the 1-click install. I too am contemplating on the best way to install KDE4.1.
I installed with one click install and I had no problems.
The 1-click installer works great if you have a 32-bit system (for most people)
On a 64 bit system just add the KDE4 Factory Desktop Repository) (Community Repository) to your list of Repositories via YAST and then do:
Packages - All Packages - Update if never version is available.
Note you still make have to resolve a dependency or two, but not as massive as with the 1-click-installer which suggests you downgrade everything to i586 rather than use x86_64 packages.
I know that kde 4.1 in Factory is final now, my problem is if the packages provided by the build service will remain like this or soon will be changed to the development release of 4.1.1 or something like that.
The one-click-install points to
and from the definition here:
KDE/KDE4 - openSUSE
it is possible to read:
The KDE:KDE4:Factory: Desktop build service project contains KDE 4.1 packages. **They are currently under development for openSUSE 11.1. **
If I understand well, that means that as soon as the development of kde 4.1.1 begins, the suse updater will bring problems instead of solutions.
I want a repository that remains faithful to 4.1
Exactly. I too am waiting for the same response. Especially being new to Linux, I dont want to screw up what I have now.
This is the same problem I was fearing, since reading comments in recent weeks that there was apparently no intention to provide any supported upgrade to the full 4.1 from an openSUSE 11.0 install.
I’ll soon be seeking to upgrade two 10.3 systems (currently running KDE 3.5) to 11.0, and very much want to have KDE 4.1 all sorted out on them. However, I haven’t time to do it right now and by the time I get around to it, the packages could all have been changed as part of the 11.1 development, and potentially become unstable.
I’d be keen to see a separate, permanent 4.1 repo for openSUSE 11.0 setup and maintained until at least 11.1 comes along. Having once expected 10.3 to contain the first usable KDE4 implementation last year, it’s a rather long wait until Christmas to hold out for 11.1. By that time I’ll have left the country and I’ll never have been able to update one of my friends’ machines as planned. I’ve spent the last few months telling them how great their machine will be come this summer! I didn’t intend to leave them in the lurch with a beta system.
I’ve experimented with this and you are exactly right. If you enable the factory repo for KDE4 to get 4.1 you have a catch-22. You have to keep it (and probably the community) repos enabled in order to get updates for 4.1, but you also get unstable packages and constant downloads - sometimes 100+ a day.
Yet, all the cool stuff (and a more useful desktop) is in 4.1. I suspect that 4.1 will never make it into the main repos for suse, but it or KDE4.2 will be included in the suse 11.1 released in December. Until then, unless the buildservice community repos put it in we are probably stuck with 4.0.
I’m trying to follow a few threads here about the upgrade to KDE 4.1 and am getting mixed messages. Can anybody clarify the following:
Is the openSUSE 11.0 KDE CD now updated to 4.1 or will it remain as 4.0 until December?
Is KDE Four Live purely a live CD or could I use it to upgrade an existing installation?
I’m currenly running openSUSE 10.3 installed from DVD with both KDE 3.5 and GNOME environments. I rarely ever boot into GNOME but would still need it for a few odd programs that I run within KDE. So if I were to use the KDE CD to upgrade (and be forced to remove GNOME), is it straightforward to download and add the GNOME environment again with YaST after the upgrade?
There is a great deal of confusion around these issues (at least with me) and until they are explained I am staying with what I’ve got … which is suse 11.0 with KDE 4.04 and with backports enabled so what ever parts of 4.1 are backported I will get.
All I can say is my prior experience updating to 4.1 was not good and I had to re-install. The factory repos are not particularly unstable (there is an “unstable repo”) but once you enable those repos you have to stay with them and disable the others. (Including main updates (oss and non-oss) I believe the buildservice repos and backports will also cause dependency hell.
Yes (installable though), no.
Hmm, okay. Looks like I’ll just stick with the DVD upgrade then, and chance my arm with the 4.1 Factory repo. I’m still rather puzzled though about the correct repositories to use.
Most posts seem to be suggesting this one:
Index of /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.0
but a couple of other posts make reference to this as being the primary one required (or they just advise to use the ‘community’ repo):
Index of /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.0_KDE4_Factory_Desktop
I thought I saw another one with the Build Service in the path but maybe that’s not relevant, or was superseded by the above.
I had an idea that to avoid issues between 4.1 and 4.0.4, I should upgrade my system to KDE 3.5.9 first, including as few of the KDE4 packages from the DVD as possible, then install 4.1 from Factory separately, and test it using a new user account. Hopefully the 1-click install would manage this for me, but if I wanted to do this via the KDE4 pattern within YaST (so as to see more clearly what’s being installed), I assume this would always default to the 4.0.4 packages on the DVD. What if I disabled the DVD and MAIN, OSS and NON-OSS repos prior to doing this - would that get around it?
The problem I had was with the libQt4 RPM, but that was because it insisted on installing it from the DVD, as opposed to via the update repository (unless you have removed the installation DVD from the software repositories, where it is one of the defaults, this will happen with updates of KDE). Once I got the installer to retry accessing the DVD (the problem was with the drive, not the disk), that solved my KDE errors (in fact, I’m typing this from KDE 4.1, which I upgraded to from 4.0.4, which was my default).
So do I understand correctly; my very standard installation which I made from a Live CD last week won’t automatically upgrade to KDE 4.1? And it won’t ever, and I have to wait for KDE 4.2?
Automatically? Not a chance; instead, you have to semi-force an upgrade (like you generally have to do with anything not included in the standard build; remember, 4.0.4 was basically a beta build, while 3.5.9 was the default).
So what sort of time period are we talking before KDE4.1 is on a Standard Build?
I guess that would be with the next version of OpenSUSE 11.1 probably to be released in December.