Looking back at with Hewlett Packard, in 2004 Suse Linux was the alternative to windows at the time. Even seating out even Red Hat Linux wondering what ever happen to our beloved distro and its Management.
I really think Novell should consider offering Suse SLED free to the public, private government sectors. and work closer with oem manufactures like dell, gateway, ibm. and Hewlett Packard to get Suse and Opensuse back on track.
I mean if ubunto can get HP Certified, were do stand in getting Certified? I with means regards to Opensuse?
suselizard32 most people just see what they want and may be put off by a single event that happened down the road, which we are unaware of. 2004 was a long time ago and several life times when it comes to computers and software. I started using SuSE at version 10 and openSUSE 11.3 is a much better product than I first started with.
As for openSUSE and Novell, I think they have done a great job with the product so far. It is hard to know what choices might have been better to have made and hindsight is 20/20 as they say. Also, no matter how you slice or dice it, people on any project such as openSUSE have to have a day job that buts bread on the table so products like openSUSE can be given to the masses. One thing is for sure, you can either elect to help or complain. I understand the issue and have been a complainer before myself, but all things considered, openSUSE 11.3 is a very good product.
In practice SUSE is capturing the non-English speaking market and has become the number one supported distribution in China; so though it may not appear to be making much headway in English speaking countries compared with Ubuntu, it is carving out a niche for itself in some very important markets.
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> I think Novell should rather concentrate on stable version updates with
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Sadly, unless we can keep hardware from advancing (updates and new stuff),
then this doesn’t work well. Why? Because there’s just too many things to
handle. If you were to try to back-in a plethora of changes into the kernel
so you can handle the new device, option, etc… you end up inserting so
much added risk that it becomes more risky to support “the old” than to jump
to “the new”.
And I’m not even considering the difficulty in supporting many, many, many
generations and version of applications… it would be a mess.
No… you HAVE to simplify. It is difficult enough to handle long term
support with SLES/SLED doing it the current way. Let’s not make it
impossible.
Well among diehard GNU zealots the Microsoft business turned them off. They are blind to the fact NOVEL owns a pile of non Linux related patents and deals like this are common place with big players. They are still actively dissing openSUSE for what NOVEL did there. They all forget about SCO and what NOVEL did there.
My fear is Oracle buys NOVEL and starts that SCO extortion **** back up again. They hired the same lawyers to go after Google and were behind the SCO extortion racket.
I make sure everyone knows we run openSUSE here.
I think the desktop market is shrinking as well. Everyone is moving to mobile computing on their cellphones. Kids these days are not doing Linux on the desktop unless they are uber geeks. Most of them don’t even own a laptop.
Yes not to scare anyone it look like Novell has been in talks with several compaines with regards selling Novell Assests, IBM, Intel would be great companies…however now that Mark Hurd is co-president of Oracle if they can take the two structures of SLES AND OSL and bring it back to its glory days. But I think Hewlett Packard or Apple would be a great culture for Suse.
Actually, that is an interesting concept, to provide SLED to the community and focus on making money from the SLES side of things. Bring the community activity (SLED) a little closer. Heck, depending on the relationship, if paid-for support was available then they could turn around and probably get SLED pre-installed on some computers the way Dell does with Ubuntu.
I fear Oracle, they have too many of Linux’s assets by the balls; Java, OpenOffice, VirtualBox, Netbeans and I think there is more! They are already showing they aren’t afraid to go on the offensive with software patents.
I seriously hope Oracle does NOT get Novell, in part because Novell does do a lot for Open Source. Not to mention, imagine Oracle with Java AND Mono?
My 2c, I think the Novell brandering is playing too big role in openSUSE. I have more than 3 examples, I will share 3 of them…
More than a month ago I shared that OpenSUSE11.4 / Xorg 1.9 and VirtualBox 3.2.8 - “Monitor does not Resize” (no acknowdlegment / reply) - still broken
More than 3 weeks ago I shared that OpenOffice 3.3 was release and we are willing to test - nothing jet - running it on Other Distro
FireFox 3.6.9 was release (security updates) couple of days ago - still no update in “factory” - it is in other Distro
OpenSuse will not “die” but will slip further down on Distrowatch’s site. - I like “Green” guest what Mint’s colour is.
Go to MintLinux - see the happy free paying Testers and Users - I am also willing to donate (I actualy paid for 2x previous versions) - share the Bank Details…
Pstrauss I would like to add my 2cents as well and I think everyone is allowed an opinion.
More than a month ago I shared that OpenSUSE11.4 / Xorg 1.9 and VirtualBox 3.2.8 - “Monitor does not Resize” (no acknowdlegment / reply) - still broken
openSUSE 11.4 is still beta software and it will be next year before its release, I am sure bug reports will be dealt with in due time. It is good to make reports, very good, but your priorities are not theirs. Be patient.
More than 3 weeks ago I shared that OpenOffice 3.3 was release and we are willing to test - nothing jet - running it on Other Distro
OpenOffice is not a Novell or openSUSE product. If there is a big security issue, it might be placed into openSUSE 11.3, but I am thinking it will be openSUSE 11.4, before we see that released.
FireFox 3.6.9 was release (security updates) couple of days ago - still no update in “factory” - it is in other Distro
Firefox is updated from time to time. I am sure that when it is properly tested and decided to be of value, it will show up in our repos. Be Patient, again.
OpenSuse will not “die” but will slip further down on Distrowatch’s site. - I like “Green” guest what Mint’s colour is.
Go to MintLinux - see the happy free paying Testers and Users - I am also willing to donate (I actualy paid for 2x previous versions) - share the Bank Details…
I don’t think openSUSE is in danger of slipping off of Distrowatch’s chart. I am happy for MintLinux as any Linux success is success for all. It is a free country for all to use what they want and complain about what they want. But actions speak louder than complaints. If you want to help openSUSE, keep those bug reports coming, but consider your wishes are not the only thing to be considered. If you don’t really like openSUSE, then find a distro you like and support the best way you can.
As always Pstrauss, I welcome everyone’s comments.
I’ll share my view on the matter having spent the last 10 years with SuSE products;
There’s too many whiners who don’t do anything but expect everything to be done for them, for free.
Everyone demands, no one is actually capable or able to package, fix, test or otherwise do anything beneficial so they just complain until the people who are responsible for actually doing something a) quit because they’re tired of the moaning b) stop caring (like me) or c) switch OS (like me)
Complain less, demand less, learn to do something useful - and please, don’t come up with the old “I don’t have to, I’m a user!”.
I did add “http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/SUSE_Factory/” Priority-98
Strange, I had to go into software repository -> version and make the manual selection.
What might the reason be that it is not in “General Factory” as expected?
It does not make sense to add all the individual factory repositories.
I found from other site “Vbox Additions 3.2.51 r65519” - has 1.9.so driver - solved some issues.
