"As frequently heard on the forums"

As, probably, an average Joe openSUSE user I must say I’m actually really excited about this upcoming release and I thank RBrownSUSE for clarifying what will be the advantages for all; as well as the negatives.

Hello!
One of the more interesting post I have read on this forum for some time. I have notice that the chairman(RBrown) have stepped up his participating in/on different sites/news lately. Good and I fully agree upon that.

In the OP reddit.com is mentioned, -I have never heard or visit the site before. If I where a plain user… A shadowsite of opensuse.org for support? I recognise some issues/questions/usernames. Not good.

As for my self? I was early and express support for the idea behind (now)openSUSE leap 42.x.

Ps. Not attach any photo on a “kitten” (means small cats in my native…) Ds.

With a :stuck_out_tongue: in my eye.

regards

On 2015-07-08, RBrownSUSE <RBrownSUSE@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
> Perception is reality, that is true, however it’s hard to counter
> misconceptions when, by design and intention, the final state of Leap
> 42.1 is in a state of flux. We’re a community project, we build things
> as a community, that means we have a somewhat perverse need to do two
> things which should be diametrically opposed to each other - we need to
> make very loud, very clear, very public statements about Leap 42.1 to
> get people interested and contributing, at the same time, we need to
> make very diverse, very flexible, very responsive decisions as a
> community to decide how Leap 42.1 will actually look when released

Three thoughts for public engagement. Please feel free to support or reject as stupid…

  1. Host openSUSE Leap issues/ideas/discussion properly within a subforum rather than under Soapbox - I think
    https://forums.opensuse.org/forumdisplay.php/677-Tumbleweed-Evergreen-and-PreRelease-Beta is a natural home, that will
    attract the interest of most relevant section of the openSUSE community.

  2. Inject some fun into the Leap launch! For example I strongly support the whimsical version 42 with the HG2G
    reference, but it can be extended. Rather than having naff version nominals (e.g. Quantal Quetzal' - honestly!) or mysterious and obscure names (e.g. Harlequin’), you can continue your version 42 theme. For some reason, BetelSUSE' and Leap Thought’ came to mind, but I’m sure your marketting guys can do better… (though `Don’t Panic’ might be more
    useful than the usual sudo sermon!).

  3. Adjust the openSUSE description at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse (which openSUSE does have
    control over?), which is laughably off beam - believe it not, but this is often the first port of call of GNU/Linux
    newcomers for finding out :

[quote]
The openSUSE project has three main goals: make openSUSE the easiest Linux for anyone to obtain and the most widely used
Linux distribution; leverage open source collaboration to make openSUSE the world’s most usable Linux distribution and
desktop environment for new and experienced Linux users; dramatically simplify and open the development and packaging
processes to make openSUSE the platform of choice for Linux developers and software vendors.
\quote]

So this would lead the newcomer to believe openSUSE has already failed in its first two goals (strictly `Android’ is the
Linux distribution that would have succeeded). OpenSUSE isn’t the most widely used GNU/Linux distribution (Ubuntu is). It’s
not the most usable GNU/Linux distribution for new users (Linux Mint is). I’m not even sure if is the platform of choice
for Linux developers (who probably go for LSB-compliant RH-derivatives), but I’d very much like to think this goal is
attainable.

I think the description needs to be changed to reflect the real true positives of openSUSE:

  1. Choice of LTS (i.e. Evergreen), stable (i.e. 13.X/Leap), and rolling (i.e. Tumbleweed) releases.
  2. Unsurpassed full multiple DE support (KDE/GNOME/XFCE/LXDE/etc…) within one GNU/Linux distribution.
  3. Exclusive multiple-interface administration control centre/panel for hardware/software/daemons/servers (YaST).
  4. Public online package management for system for RPM/DEB open source deployment (OBS).
  5. Option for full support for installation of the Linux Standard Base Core (LSB).

The last option is a real hit for developers using Intel’s libraries.

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:44:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2015-07-08 01:08, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 22:36:01 +0000, deano ferrari wrote:
>
>
>>> Yep, and so that needs to get dealt with in the mailing list thread(s)
>>> (or wherever else uncited references are being proclaimed), the same
>>> as it would be here.
>>
>> No argument, but raising the issue here and there gets it to a broader
>> audience, which isn’t a bad thing.
>
> Sorry, I must be today thicker than usual O:-)
>
> (I was fighting with a recalcitrant router for something like 10
> hours…)
>
> What is being asked of us? :-? :slight_smile:

On the mailing lists and in other venues, if you’re going to cite the
forums in support of a point you’re making, don’t just say “I see this a
lot in the forums” or something like that - provide links to the posts so
others can follow up.

Jim


Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:44:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2015-07-08 11:07, flymail wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure if this can be done from NNTP, but I’m reasonably certain
>> that that the HTML interface allows users to report inappropriate
>> posts.
>
> Well… with time you get to know the personal emails of a few people,
> some of them admins. So you could email them, but I suppose that this
> should not be done except on emergencies, because they will have
> difficulties locating the correct thread. Also, that particular person
> might not be connected or busy that moment.
>
> On the other hand, the report button on the web signals, in a way I
> don’t know, all the available admins, and “the one on duty” can respond
> :wink:
>
> I would only use email when the forum is offline, to ask about it,
> perhaps.

Reporting a post gets it to the staff and doesn’t depend on any one
person’s availability. Please use that rather than e-mailing staff
members directly.

Jim


Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On 2015-07-09 19:01, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:44:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Reporting a post gets it to the staff and doesn’t depend on any one
> person’s availability. Please use that rather than e-mailing staff
> members directly.

Yes, that’s what I said :slight_smile:

The only exception would be when the forums are down and there is no
notice, but then the typical thing to do is post in the mail list instead.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

hello :slight_smile:

Just a note: searching google with “frequently heard on the forums” do only quote this very thread, so may be the problem is not as large as it seemed to be :slight_smile:

jdd

Mmm, often described as “noises off” piste, or rumours from an openSUSE ML. :wink:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:16:01 +0000, jdd wrote:

> hello :slight_smile:
>
> Just a note: searching google with “frequently heard on the forums” do
> only quote this very thread, so may be the problem is not as large as it
> seemed to be :slight_smile:
>
> jdd

Very old thread, jdd - and it was raised with relation to a specific
claim being made on one of the mailing lists with no links to the
relevant threads.

It turned out (as I recall) that the “forums” referred to weren’t these
forums, but reddit or some other forum-like venue.

Which underscored the need, when making a claim like that, to cite one’s
sources rather than to approach it with an approach that’s not dissimilar
from “the lurkers agree with me”.

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

That’s the long version - with total recall - IIRC. :slight_smile: