Are packages available for Leap 15.6 yet? Is it "alpha" or "beta" or "pre-alpha"?

I checked the wiki and it shows 15.6 will be released next year, but is it possible to edit sources.list in YaSt to change any “15.5” items to “15.6” in a Leap install??

Are there newer packages available to start testing 15.6?? Or, nothing in the tubes on it yet??? I’m OK with alpha stuffings . . . .

No, I don’t believe there is anything out there yet. It’s not even a valid build target in OBS, at this point. There will be an announcement of some sort, when things start getting put together for testing. Which mostly won’t happen until SLE stabilizes what they’re doing.

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Thanks for the reply . . . no real worry, I just like “fresh horsies” whenever they come online. It was mentioned on the factory list-serve that Leap was moving on to 15.6 a number of weeks back . . . haven’t seen anything mentioned about since then.

Not holding my breath, etc.



The Roadmap states –

Fri, July 15, 2023 Start of Development phase

o openSUSE Leap and Backports OBS projects are set up. o openSUSE Leap 15.5 is Alpha. o SUSE:SLE-15-SP5:GA is being synced to OBS o Release checklist for Leap 15.5 is in progress-o-o

Meaning, the development began yesterday – the Friday the 14th of July 2023 …

  • You can expect a Beta version late January – early February 2024 – in about 6 months.


OK, great . . . so I’m assuming that in the quoted material that “15.5” should be “15.6” ??? And therefore, as of yesterday 15.6 is “alpha” ??? Or will be in a few days/weeks??

# zypper lr
Repository priorities are without effect. All enabled repositories share the same priority.

# | Alias    | Enabled | GPG Check | URI
1 | NonOSS   | Yes     | (r ) Yes  |
2 | OSS      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  |
3 | openh264 | Yes     | (r ) Yes  |
# zypper ref
Retrieving repository 'NonOSS' metadata ..............................................................................................................................................[error]
Repository 'NonOSS' is invalid.
[NonOSS|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL
 - [NonOSS|] Repository type can't be determined.

Please check if the URIs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid repository.
Skipping repository 'NonOSS' because of the above error.
Retrieving repository 'OSS' metadata .................................................................................................................................................[error]
Repository 'OSS' is invalid.
[OSS|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL
 - [OSS|] Repository type can't be determined.

Please check if the URIs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid repository.
Skipping repository 'OSS' because of the above error.
Repository 'openh264' is up to date.
Some of the repositories have not been refreshed because of an error.

The roadmap language seems to suggest the repos should exist before the end of today UTC, if the map is adhered to. Maybe whoever picked 15 July wasn’t aware of the day of the week it fell on. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Right from the linked page:

DRAFT Schedule for openSUSE Leap 15.6

This is a draft it still requires further tweaks according to SP6 schedule.

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Thanks also to you . . . “by end of the day” . . . very good. I’m not rotating back to Leap until some time mid-week, so that should give it some time for things to bubble up in the 15.6 repos . . . see how it feels and so forth.

@et al:

I just took a look at the repos in YaSt and that reminded me that changing the data from “15.5” to “15.6” will likely cause “loss of Packman” . . . as with 15.5 Packman just bubbled up to active only a few months back . . . . Meaning that in the new system it wouldn’t be ready until after release next year???

Is that the likely scenario?? Delay of Packman???

In my experience, Packman is usually available soon after the RC1 (release candidate 1).

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OK . . . meaning, more precisely . . . some time “after Jun 7 '24” is the proposed “public availability of RC” ???

From my experience, I would guess that packman will be available by early May, and perhaps by mid-April.

But note that I use the word “guess” there.

Cool. It does seem to have variable time frames . . . like it took awhile to get it to 15.5 . . . . And, then, given that we could say, “Late Spring of '24” . . . a long time to be riding through the desert on a Packman with No Name[d release date] . . . to coin a phrase.

I’m OK with “Alpha release” systems, but for it not to have fuller capacity for basic video viewing . . . makes it less than optimal for daily use, etc. I’ve rushed in to the freshest horsies numerous times, fresher is “better” . . . seems like by now it the Life of Leap Packman should be included with 15.6???

Maybe something to whine about on the Factory list-serve . . . something for a rainy day.

It doesn’t need more whining. Maybe it needs more volunteers.


this is exactly the correct answer


Sometimes the squeeky whine gets more lubrication . . . . I don’t recall seeing on the list-serve any requests for “volunteers” for Packman . . . ???

Often the problem is that there are qualifications required in order to do that work . . . . Over in ubuntu QA a few years back, if one would “volunteer” to do testing, if there was some problem with the software, it wasn’t possible to simply report the issue in the QA, you had to first file a bug report, do something else and then you could fill out the QA form . . . in the adult life experience time is often short . . . .

Packman is a separate project, so you’d have to talk to them about volunteering to contribute to their efforts for 15.6.

I’m sure they have their reasons for waiting. If you want a system that has codecs and such and is more bleeding edge, then Tumbleweed is probably what you want. If you want to help with the 15.6 development effort, it really comes down to the openSUSE project components and the non-openSUSE project components (like Packman), and deciding which of those you want to help with and then offering to do so.

Whining at people who volunteer to do things is unlikely to provide the results you’re looking for. The philosophy is “those who do decide” - so if you want to move things along that are important to you, contribute to the effort.

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Well, sometimes replies can provide more background information . . . but perhaps the humorous use of “whine” has been misunderstood? Which, for those who have been following along on the Factory list-serve the discussions have been at times “heated” and verbal fists do seem to fly quite a bit . . . into which a gentle question about the Packman timeline would be comparatively a “gentle whine.”???

The question then would be, why are the video codecs separated out from Leap expositions, such that even after release . . . a fair amount of time went by to get Packman updated from 15.4 to 15.5?? The two releases IMHO are not radically different such that major overhaul of Packman is needed to get it to work??? Is that the reality of it?? Or, it’s just a one man show and the Packman guy has a life outside of maintaining Packman, and so it just sits there??? Waiting to change the word “15.5” to “15.6” in the repos???

What are volunteers needed to do for the speedy blending of Leap 15.6 & the Packman with No Name???

Humor sometimes doesn’t translate well in writing. Fair enough. :slight_smile:

There is a long history of why proprietary codecs are not part of the main distribution, and it’s not really worth rehashing here why.

The Factory ML is not the place to ask about Packman, because Factory isn’t about the Packman project.

Codecs - openSUSE Wiki provides a brief overview of the history.

As for why it took so long for the update between 15.4 and 15.5 - you’d have to ask the Packman folks about that. Maybe they need more volunteers to help. As for what’s needed, again, you’d have to ask Packman.

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Thanks for the link . . . interesting . . . . I had a similar issue in my Pop!_OS system the other day, not showing a video I took with my phone . . . did a little research, got the same, “these codecs are proprietary and need special handling, BUT, if what you are doing is moral and legal then . . . use apt to install these packages . . . and then install VLC”???

A few seconds later I was watching my little snippet of video . . . . Pops! kernel is back a ways from TW . . . might even be behind Leap’s??

I guess then the question is, do we need to use Packman to get videos working in openSUSE OR could we just select those few packages and install them, “independently” from Packman??