Steve Jobs died. A sad day indeed. Thats mostly because of his relatively young age.
Yesterday i thought, mm… wow Jobs is dead, Apple all the good things he sold to us, nice designs and stuff like that. But today i wonder if there was some switch somewhere that got by mistake switched.
Now Steve Jobs begins to be turned into some form of God or Messiah that brought the world just good things.
There is even a painting section now on Wired. Wow…
I think he was a good person, so i heard since i haven’t met him personally and yes, he did turned products into objects of desire. Just check the records. The latest were the tablets which were dead on arrival on the pc side but with Apple they were revived and now make even ebooks more sexier.
I did like Macs and their design but i get really turned off by what people do with it and with this cult. Consumerism is a ugly thing and thats what Apples are in my view.
I always thought his products emphasized style over substance. But he had good insight into what people would buy and in how to get some marketing buzz out there, so he did well.
for me it is fact: everyday people die in this world. Most of them in Africa… by the way…
Ok, yesterday he died. A person died. That´s it. I mean, every single case of dying is tragic for the families and so on, but it is nothing special, Death belongs to life. That is my opinion.
For me this cult, which is raised now is really bizarre. For me this person was also no special “good guy”. He was good in marketing, that´s it. According to what I heard he never did anything for charity, he scammed his early partner Steve Wozniak… so nothing special. No “God” or “Messias”.
To be honest, I would say “I don´t care”, but this would be too disrespectful.
I think a lot of the ‘cult’ following is Jobs legacy,
but I think that is a good thing. Steve touched people’s
lives by inviting them to ‘Think Different’. Most of the people
that followed his philsophy were already individualists, he
simply empowered them. The current ‘mass market consumerist’ has nothing to
do with being ugly or mainstream it’s about how the products produced under
Steve’s leadership captured the minds of the masses with products that are
generally fun to use and happen to be extremely stylish.
I was more than pleased with MP3 players when they were big but then came
this iPod thing and later the iTouch which by all accounts blew just about
everyone’s mind. “How cool is this…album covers that slide around!” Even
to the adults in the room it was cool it was like one of those K-Tel record
selectors.
Jobs was a success because he knew what he wanted and he fought to get it
the way he wanted it. By some accounts that made him a tyrant and unpleasant
to work with, but few people in today’s world do that which is why
we end up with products by committee that half work, are outright broken
or fail to ultimately serve any purpose. Vision is a great thing, but
it takes determination as well to see it through, right or wrong. No other
CEO is sticking is neck out there in the way Steve did which is why Apple is
synonymous with Jobs… RIP Steve.
On 10/7/2011 8:38 AM, GofBorg wrote:
> I think a lot of the ‘cult’ following is Jobs legacy,
> but I think that is a good thing. Steve touched people’s
> lives by inviting them to ‘Think Different’. Most of the people
> that followed his philsophy were already individualists, he
> simply empowered them. The current ‘mass market consumerist’ has nothing to
> do with being ugly or mainstream it’s about how the products produced under
> Steve’s leadership captured the minds of the masses with products that are
> generally fun to use and happen to be extremely stylish.
>
> I was more than pleased with MP3 players when they were big but then came
> this iPod thing and later the iTouch which by all accounts blew just about
> everyone’s mind. “How cool is this…album covers that slide around!” Even
> to the adults in the room it was cool it was like one of those K-Tel record
> selectors.
>
> (For the kids check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ja3NxeLhWg)
>
> Jobs was a success because he knew what he wanted and he fought to get it
> the way he wanted it. By some accounts that made him a tyrant and unpleasant
> to work with, but few people in today’s world do that which is why
> we end up with products by committee that half work, are outright broken
> or fail to ultimately serve any purpose. Vision is a great thing, but
> it takes determination as well to see it through, right or wrong. No other
> CEO is sticking is neck out there in the way Steve did which is why Apple is
> synonymous with Jobs… RIP Steve.
>
>
True. I think he was one of the people that shaped us directly and
indirectly. Its not that he invented something, but he made i
fashionable, sleek and desirable.
Mac were never faster, but better. Better in the way everything just worked.
So as a marketing, visionary guy he was brilliant. No one can deny that.
And that Steve is connected to Apple in one sentence is his making too.
But i do worry if people go beyond that (check web).
I did have a mac (did i mention that?) and it was a pleasure to use it.
It reminded me of my Amiga days, where you had a connection to your
computer and did not think of it as a box with shiny cables and thinks
that make wroom inside of it.
So i’ll get it if people are attached to it.
My consumerism complained is that the mac is designed to be tossed away
once a new replacement is out. You can’t run OS Jaguar on a bondiblue iMac.
I heard that the original ipod does not work on current imac’s. Can’t
confirm that since i don’t have one.
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In 2000, I bought a ‘top of the line’ G4 Tower and I was one of the original OS/X users at that time, since in 2000, they were still using System 9.
It was better than anything in the PC world marketed for consumers and I ran Yellow Dog Linux on it. From there I tried Suse 7.3 for PowerPC and that’s how I became a Suse lover. I gave that box away in 2004. I love browsing in Apple stores and I think it is amazing in this day of internet based sales, Apple continues to have the most popular stores in malls across the USA. But after Jobs dropped the RISC lineup in 2005-2006, I dropped Jobs; for me the cool factor about Apple was the G4/G5, not the latest Intel x86. Now Apple just makes cool looking x86 boxes - so what?
But it is true that when you buy an Apple, you are buying into their vision of computing in a very complete way, not the fragmented way we see in the MS view of PC computing. And the fact that Jobs was able to conceptualize this vision in such a complete manner and implement it and keep the customer base happy and coming back for more, is truly an amazing accomplishment. Jobs was no Gates and that’s a good thing in my view and he will always rank very high in memory of truly accomplished and important people.
On 10/8/2011 5:06 AM, RichardET wrote:
>
> In 2000, I bought a ‘top of the line’ G4 Tower and I was one of the
> original OS/X users at that time, since in 2000, they were still using
> System 9.
> It was better than anything in the PC world marketed for consumers and
> I ran Yellow Dog Linux on it. From there I tried Suse 7.3 for PowerPC
> and that’s how I became a Suse lover. I gave that box away in 2004. I
> love browsing in Apple stores and I think it is amazing in this day of
> internet based sales, Apple continues to have the most popular stores in
> malls across the USA. But after Jobs dropped the RISC lineup in
> 2005-2006, I dropped Jobs; for me the cool factor about Apple was the
> G4/G5, not the latest Intel x86. Now Apple just makes cool looking x86
> boxes - so what?
>
> But it is true that when you buy an Apple, you are buying into their
> vision of computing in a very complete way, not the fragmented way we
> see in the MS view of PC computing. And the fact that Jobs was able to
> conceptualize this vision in such a complete manner and implement it and
> keep the customer base happy and coming back for more, is truly an
> amazing accomplishment. Jobs was no Gates and that’s a good thing in my
> view and he will always rank very high in memory of truly accomplished
> and important people.
>
>
Yeah, i miss those Motorolla chips as well. Gee, there were even faster
then Intels creation.
Although i understand why Apple moved to the Intel ship, i felt
Motorolla made (the homecomputer) and Macs special.
I find it ironic though, even everyone claims right now that Steve made
the world a better place in some way, that there is the fact forgotten
that millions of people on earth still live in dire conditions like the
people that assemble the icreations.
And that only a small margin of people can actually afford to buy these
machines.
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> Jobs was no Gates and that’s a good thing in my
> view and he will always rank very high in memory of truly accomplished
> and important people.
>
>
Gates will never be Jobs, unfortunately. Gates was too desperate to imitate
what was successful, instead of finding new ways. It is guys like Jobs that
help improving the knowledge/ technology (at least more than Gates would
ever do).
Why “unfortunately”? Bill Gates spends its fortune (does it include your money?) to save the world now. Ballmer has made all the disastrous decisions over the past years, and he’s far from being Einstein, nor Jobs, not even Gates.
because we have “no politics” in this forum (which is good), I can not answer the answer I would give on this. So I would recommend that you inform yourself in a critical way about what Mr. Gates does. Dive a bit behind the surface. It seems like that it is something good, but one can also have a more precise view on these things and the long term results of his doing. And one can also ask himself “who will make the profit in the long run? The »world he saved« or the guys who helped him with that?”
On 10/25/2011 05:06 PM, please try again wrote:
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> steffen13;2397196 Wrote:
>> because we have “no politics” in this forum (which is good), I can not
>> answer the answer I would give on this.
> Then don’t!
>
>
Did Steve donate in some way? I know that William has a foundation
running. On the other hand its always also about publicity.
Right now Steve gets glorified, maybe if William dies the same happens.
Although if it wasn’t for the other Steve, the other Steve would not be
there where he was.
And then there are the other people that do so much to enlighten us but
no one ever heart of them. Thats the way it is.
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>
>JoergJaeger;2397393 Wrote:
>>
>> Did Steve donate in some way? I know that William has a foundation
>> running. On the other hand its always also about publicity.
>>
>
>If he did, he was very quiet about it. That’s one rap against Apple.
>They have no philanthropic program.
>
>
Well, you know. I do think that these programs are publicity programs,
but indeed people getting help out of it. So in that regard Gates
foundation is a good thing.
Its getting said, that Steve Jobs helped people in some way. That he
enriched peoples live. But the way i see it, it helped only people in
the western world with money.
Everyone else did not have anything of it. Thats why i believe in Linux
because it enriches peoples life in every way.
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