Yes, I did. Thanks.
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> Biased Observer;1904570 Wrote:
>> Read “Linux is not Windows” <http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm> and
>> think
>> about where you are (and how much you PAY to be here).
> First… this thread has nothing to do with Windows vs Linux. It’s a
> question into the UI of the Gimp, and Photoshop happens to be a
> comparison. Just because it happens to be a windows app, does not
> warrant the knee-jerk Windows-Vs-*nix debate.
No debate intended. Read “Linux is not Windows” again and every time you see
“Linux” think GIMP, and every “Windows” think “PhotoShop”.
In other words: GIMP is not PhotoShop, nor should either be changed to mimic the
other.
>> Remember, if you do not like GIMP the way it is you are FREE to fork it
>> and make
>> it exactly the way YOU want it–try that with Photoshop.
>>
> You hear this misguided line of thinking thrown around a lot. It’s
> probably the least meaningful argument you can use. Not every person is
> a developer, whereas the majority are simply the end-users. Telling
> the typical user “Go write your own” is just plain dumb.
By “dumb” I suppose you do not mean “Lacking the power of speech.” but rather of
low intelligence?
And, by the way your opinion of either my intelligence or ability to speak was
an unnecessary personal attack.
> Many many projects do well because they design based on the end-user’s
> needs. And many more fail because they don’t.
>
>> Free and open are a big words. (It can even be used to say: If you do
>> not like
>> the open framework of GIMP you are free to use Photoshop…but, you
>> have to PAY
>> to use it.)
> Just because a project is free and open does not necessarily mean the
> project devs can’t listen to requests from their userbase.
Do you not think a better place to provide feedback to the developers is NOT in
the openSUSE forum, but rather at <http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/> where
there is actually a chance some developers are listening?
> The Gimp UI
> debate has been loud for quite some time. And it’s only happened
> recently that the Gimp team has finally come to accept that perhaps
> their UI isn’t all that intuitive or easy to use, and has actually taken
> steps to form a team devoted exclusively to redesigning the UI.
I certainly hope they do not make the same mistake the KDE team seems to be
making by trying to replicate the more widely used UI.
Hey guys, … lets “cool it” on this thread …
Technical suggestions are encouraged. Valuations as to the
assessments, intentions, and other aspects relating to personalities of
posters are not allowed in our forum. And in truth, posts with
statements that can be insulting are very counter productive.
Everyone has different views. Lets take advantage of the different
views, … not put them down.
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beli0135;1904263 Wrote:
>
> OMG, why can’t someone make clone of Photoshop?! At least some version
> from 10 years ago, like v 5.5 or something? Just clone… without
> inventing the hot water, just clone it?
Most likely no one wants to be taken to court by Adobe.
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GofBorg;1904278 Wrote:
> > Yes, I know this. It was the same when I passed from Win to Suse…
> > however, it is DIFFICULT. To make some simple operations like pasting
> to
> > layer from clipboard, creates some “floating” layer which I cant do
> much
> > unless I make 20 clicks over the menu… I mean, spending 2 hours
> just
> > trying to make a “tab” look like in Flock…
>
> Not sure what you want to do with the layer, but I usually use the
> merge
> down. You could always open a new window and edit what you want the
> layer
> to look like and then copy it into the other project as a new layer,
> then
> merge the two. It’s not that hard, just different.
Interesting, I’ve always used the anchor layer option.
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69_rs_ss;1905523 Wrote:
> Most likely no one wants to be taken to court by Adobe.
Hehehe… well, you can’t be at court just because you make something
to have most similar menus with most similar actions without any stolen
code.
By cloning, I haven’t had in mind cloning 'till the logotype and
name…
Isn’t KolourPaint enhanced clone of Paint? (again, don’t take word
“clone” to it’s literal meaning by the book).
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i try to be of this thread but if it pickup again…
i want only said that i like gimp in it look like… it very usable if
you did not compare it with photoshop. It can do all my work… What
else i need.
the problem was with LAB colours… but gimp have it own way on
this…
peoples talk about 16 bit for channel. this is just blablabla… no one
could not distinguish the difference in fact…
that is clear water marketing…
some modern scanner spec
- True Color: True 48-bit
- Gray Mode: True 16-bit
- Text / Line Art: 1-bit/ pixel (2 levels)
- Optical Resolution 1200 dpi (H) x 2400 dpi (V)
sorry but WTF? did it scan better then branded 8-10 years old scaners?
I am sure - no…
same with a printers
old hp 690c prints photos at resolution 600 dpi is this can be
comparable with 4800dpi(!!!)
it is the same when your sound system can produced sounds in limits
that people’s ear can hear…
it is cool but nothing really helpfull…
So some things is just for your ear that helps some company sold some
goods…
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I never said anything that compares GIMP and Photoshop in a way which
one is better or doing better job.
My compaints of GIMP is usability, for me. Obviously, for you GIMP
works perfectly, and I am very glad for that.
We are blessed that we can choose.
I have downloaded gimpshop which is not a clone, but at least menus and
some other things are just like in photoshop, making it suitable for my
use. Not totally what I wanted, but near.
That means that someone else had the same problem and made little UI
coding.
What a wonderful world
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> just like in photoshop
“Just like in photoshop” is good for YOU…not everyone. Certainly not for
someone who has never used it, and grown up on GIMP.
Humm,
here’s my two cents on usability.
I’m trying to draw a straight line and a semi-circle for some 30min
already.
First I tried to search the interface for a straight line button and a
circle button. Of course I knew I would fail since I know this thing for
some 8 years and I know it doesn’t have one.
Solution, well I search the web on how to draw a STRAIGHT LINE.
And of course there’s good documentation (at least that) so there’s a
tutorial on how to draw a straight line.
Now if you need a tutorial just to draw a straight line, then the GUI
for sure has some problems.
I’m not even going to talk about the circle, or how fantastic my
desktop looks cluttered with windows.
It seems like the developers noticed that they could use the selection
tool to draw!!! humm I can paint with my lunch too. But I prefer to use
some ink.
I would say that gimp can compete with the other heavy weight of
unusability, blender 3D.
Yap that one is like trying to fly a space ship without drivers
license.
Of course the creators and the users that spent the last 10 years
reading tutorials think the interface is just great.
There’s like 100 programs that have the same standard interface, and
still try to give you all the hints on how to to all you want.
Then some illuminated guy comes along and just complicates everything.
Lesson:
- One thing is what you think is good, the other is the standard. Even
if the standard is not the your favorite, it’s the best if you think
about users/usability. Think about the DVD±RW problematic. Users don’t
care which standard is best. They just want something that works and
that’s standard. Think about windows. lol (don’t get me wrong I’m a
linux only user.)
Again, I think there should be a Worst User Interface / Worst Usability
championship on the web.
It would be funny, and maybe it would open some eyes.
ps: still have that circle to draw. Will have to search for a degree on
how to draw a circle. rotfl!
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Gimpshop is cool but seems to be dead. The latest version is more than
two years old and built on gimp 2.2.
Personally I love Gimp very much and am absolutely comfortable with its
interface.
Btw, Photoshop CS3 is finally running in wine: ‘WineHQ - Photoshop CS3
(10.0)’
(http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6584)
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If you ask me, photoshop 5.5 is the best one… fast and does 99% of what
10 years younger CS3 does… in terms of photo editing…
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You’re not the only one, some of the UI choices in the gimp really make
go “What where they thinking”.
The biggest thing most people dislike is the 5 million windows you have
to open, in my opinion it’s silly to dedicate a vertical desktop to one
program because it likes to fill the taskbar. Not to mention every
window has big fat borders taking up valuable screenspace… yes I’m well
aware there is also a ton of people that do like it.
I’ve used photoshop (at work, as it’s too pricey for my normal fooling
around with a few pics), paint shop pro 7 (didn’t like 8+ trials),
coreldraw (ages ago) and the gimp. Of all these programs I find the gimp
by far the worst in terms of usability. (yet I’ve probably used it the
most by now).
Last time I did some reading on it it seemed the next big version of
the gimp (3.0?) would allow itself to be more manageable as well as
supporting more colors trough ‘GEGL’ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEGL)
… but the latter is hardly of interest to us who do work for the web,
instead of huge posters etc.
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> I’m trying to draw a straight line and a semi-circle for some 30min
> already.
It seems you are telling me that PhotoShop can draw lines and
circles, and therefore you assume that must be true for GIMP also.
Let me ask: If you had never used PhotoShop before would you spend 30
minutes trying to write a MS-Word document with it, even if you
didn’t find the button to press which said “Word Processor”? And,
even if there was no section in the its help file about “drawing
circles”?
Let me recommend you use the right tool for the job you want to do.
GIMP is not a drawing program, never has been probably never will be.
So, give Krita a try. (It is available on the DVD and in the repository.)
But don’t try to use it for something it wasn’t designed to do, like
build a spreadsheet or database.
There wrote:
>> I’m trying to draw a straight line and a semi-circle for some 30min
>> already.
>
> It seems you are telling me that PhotoShop can draw lines and
> circles, and therefore you assume that must be true for GIMP also.
>
> Let me ask: If you had never used PhotoShop before would you spend 30
> minutes trying to write a MS-Word document with it, even if you
> didn’t find the button to press which said “Word Processor”? And,
> even if there was no section in the its help file about “drawing
> circles”?
>
> Let me recommend you use the right tool for the job you want to do.
> GIMP is not a drawing program, never has been probably never will be.
> So, give Krita a try. (It is available on the DVD and in the repository.)
>
> But don’t try to use it for something it wasn’t designed to do, like
> build a spreadsheet or database.
Drawing a line is hardly analogous to building a spreadsheet or
database. The GIMP is an image manipulation tool. I.e., a graphics
editor. It’s not unreasonable to expect to be able to create a graphic
w/straight lines, or circles…
…Kevin
Kevin Miller
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
Juneau, Alaska
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wont work {bummer only that you cann’t preveiw psd’s} PS9 has problems
the frist few time you start to load but then works great.photoshop 7 is
full fuction in wine{file browser works} PS9 is faster than PS7 and PS9
has better filter preview’s
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beli0135 wrote:
>
> Am I the only one who can’t use GIMP or Krita because they do things in
> completely unlogical way, becuse they are so user-unfriendly?
>
> OMG, why can’t someone make clone of Photoshop?! At least some version
> from 10 years ago, like v 5.5 or something? Just clone… without
> inventing the hot water, just clone it?
>
> For me it is absolutely impossible to use this applications. For
> someone who used photoshop a lot in the past, everything looks upside
> down.
>
> Am I the only one?
>
>
Yeah, pretty much.
You can’t even be bothered to look up really obvious solutions to your
alleged “problem”.
I agree both GIMP and Krita do things quite differently than Photoshop does.
There’s nothing wrong with that, either. Neither GIMP or Krita were designed
to be Photoshop clones so you shouldn’t expect them to be. However, if
you’re so completely indoctrinated by the proprietary software suppliers
that you imagine their way is the only way to do things you’re going to
have trouble convincing GIMP developers of it.
You still have lots of options. You could just use Photoshop, of course,
which up to version 7 at least, runs just fine under wine or Crossover
Linux. Or you could use GIMPshop, which is made for those too stuck in the
Photoshop mud to try something different.
Or you could install VMWare and run Photoshop under that.
What’s really unreasonable is expecting GIMP and Krita developers to make
their programs run just like “Photoshop” because that’s what you’re used to
and you don’t want to learn something new.
bob@rsmits.ca (Robert Smits, Ladysmith BC)
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that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn’t need an
interpreter.” - Nicholas Petreley
> The GIMP is an image manipulation tool. I.e., a graphics
> editor. It’s not unreasonable to expect to be able to create a graphic
> w/straight lines, or circles…
GIMP is, as you say an image manipulation tool, and not a graphics
ADDING tool. It is therefore unreasonable to expect it to perform a
function that its programmers didn’t intend it to have, and have not
built in.
Since it is not, don’t expect GIMP to be a PhotoShop clone, ever. As
others have noted it doesn’t even look like PhotoShop (thank
goodness!).
If you prefer PhotoShop you are free to purchase it and run it in
WINE (or any other way it will run).
I believe PhotoShop is the unusable tool in comparison with The GIMP.
But that’s maybe just me.
GIMP was easy and intuitive right from the get-go - while I couldn’t
even use PhotoShop legally as a newbie due to the high price tag for the
fully featured application.
By the way PhotoShop CS2 was tested to work near-flawlessly for WINE
1.0.0 release; that was one of their major milestones. So that should
work well if anyone here takes a dislike to the GIMP way of doing
things.
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This really got out of hand. My initial question had nothing to do with
GIMP vs Krita vs Photoshop.
I expressed my dislike of how GIMP does things, just out of
confirmation of my sanity, asked am I the only one, and asked if someone
knows is there any clone of photoshop, or at least similar GUI to
photoshop.
I still agree.
-
GIMP is GIMP and never intented to be Photoshop. Good! I just
dislike it -
Krita is Krita, similar to GIMP, better UI in my opinion, and I
still dont like it. -
Gimpshop is old, unmaintained version of GIMP that is with UI
similar to photoshop. YEA! This one I can use easier without having to
learn 1000 pages book. Not so powerful, but gets simple jobs done fast. -
Yes, I would still like if someone could nearly-clone photoshop.
(not using Wine or WMVare, but native linux opensource project)
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