I erroneously transposed the center letters.
It’s the UEFI Revision date.
I added a parts list to IHE. These are reference values and can be adjusted according to the use cases.
IHE currently sits on a 990 Evo, but to my experience will run on any chassis with a M.2 slot.
LOL. OK, Mr Kafka, we are definitely at two different gates. Your gate seems to be the “I can change my hardware to accommodate the software” gate. My gate is the “Can I change the software to accommodate my hardware” gate??? [note the question mark]
It’s not that I don’t understand your gate; in previous threads I think you linked me to a “build it on your own with parts” video . . . but, among other issues, for the most part the only thing I seem to be doing on machines is posting to linux forums trying to get help for problems that just “show up” in running say zypper or pacman or apt. Otherwise I could prolly get by with a tablet . . . .
It’s somewhat amusing to me to run linux on a Mac . . . but I’m still at that, “Hey guyz, I just changed out my RAM . . . high five!!!” stage of getting under the hood . . . or the graphics card . . . or adding an SSD . . . .
The cpu in my 5,1 checks out for “v2” . . . and it seems like the Nvidia 780 card might be a source of repetitive problems in TW, even running nouveau. I looked into options to change out that card, in say Radeon, which the OEM card was Radeon. But, OSX dropped support for that card, had to change it to get to “metal friendly” . . . and the 780 did that and gave me a spread on running 10.9 to 10.15?? Seemingly updated cards are not getting me back behind 10.13 . . . .
So, I jump around, mostly in linux, but sometimes needing access to old files in OSX . . . . The 5,1 more or less meets my needs . . . question is could I use the infamous hosts methods to change a part and that would realign the machine with coming iterations of TW??
Or, stand at my gate waiting and waiting until . . . Morphos touches the machine . . . and then, new hardware across the board. Literary quote coming back atcha: “It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.” It is more amusing to try to flog this machine forward than to build a whole new machine . . . even if it would change my gate. : - ))))
PS: The added parts list didn’t seem to show up in the linked page??? Still nothing under “Rolling Hardware” . . . did you click “publish changes” after you added the list??? : - ))))
You may need to reload the page.
This time it seemed to load up the parts list . . . . Thanks for sharing that gate #1 information . . . .
I guess my question is would taking a part from that list make a difference to my ancient beast collection of parts for those of us at gate #12?? Trying to flog it forward in all technological humbleness. Being patient with my . . . mule?? Changing metaphors to the upcoming holiday celebration of revival . . . .
OK, gave this a fast read, I would have to say, “beyond my pay grade” in all likelihood. Have yet to once “build my own kernel” as was discussed back in '07 in the PPC linux days, where getting linux to run on a PPC computer required some “fiddling.”
Then and now I would find that a challenge. I do have the fresh install of TW in another drive that I could play with, even to its potential demise . . . but how that would be educational is the question.
That could be the place to try to “build my own kernel” and test it out for revival capacity . . . but we are about out of the rainy season here . . . .
List of used legacy parts:
6700k:~ # inxi -zSMCm
System:
Kernel: 6.13.8-1-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Console: pty pts/1 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20250329
Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: Z170 Pro4S serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends v: P7.50
date: 01/23/2018
Memory:
System RAM: total: 32 GiB available: 31.03 GiB used: 1.71 GiB (5.5%) igpu: 256 MiB
Array-1: capacity: 64 GiB slots: 4 modules: 2 EC: None
Device-1: ChannelA-DIMM0 type: no module installed
Device-2: ChannelA-DIMM1 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-3: ChannelB-DIMM0 type: no module installed
Device-4: ChannelB-DIMM1 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
CPU:
Info: quad core model: Intel Core i7-6700K bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache: L2: 1024 KiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 800/4200 cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 5: 800 6: 800
7: 800 8: 800
6700k:~ #
3400g:~ # inxi -zSMCm
System:
Kernel: 6.13.8-1-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Console: pty pts/0 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20250329
Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME B450-PLUS v: Rev X.0x serial: <filter>
UEFI: American Megatrends v: 2409 date: 12/02/2020
Memory:
System RAM: total: 32 GiB available: 29.28 GiB used: 980.3 MiB (3.3%)
Array-1: capacity: 128 GiB slots: 4 modules: 2 EC: None
Device-1: DIMM_A1 type: no module installed
Device-2: DIMM_A2 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-3: DIMM_B1 type: no module installed
Device-4: DIMM_B2 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
CPU:
Info: quad core model: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
L2: 2 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 1400 min/max: 1400/3700 cores: 1: 1400 2: 1400 3: 1400 4: 1400 5: 1400
6: 1400 7: 1400 8: 1400
3400g:~ #
You may start with PSU, motherboard, CPU and RAM. The case is optional as well as the NVME drive. You can use the existing SATA drives.
Use a screwdriver to short circuit the power switch header. However the procedure is risky.
Many Windows users have never seen a computer as fast as the above ones.
OK, thanks for the details . . . . At first I thought you were showing me ways to upgrade the internals of my Mac Pro 5,1 . . . then I thought you were showing me “before” with the i7 cpu compared to “after” with the Ryzen . . . .
But, now I’m guessing you are showing me two different assemblages of parts that have created two very fast “machines” . . . tested, before being placed in a case???
I enjoy your enthusiasms, as Al Capone famously said, “A man should be known by his enthusiasms . . . .” My question is, is your suggestion for me to take these parts and R & R them in my “legacy” machine . . . in the order you named, PSU, mobo, CPU, & RAM??? OR, you are showing me how easy it is to DIY it???
I still am wondering if simply changing the video card to a non-Nvidia unit would get me out of this return of the non-revival of the display? Or, it would have to be CPU . . . which might get me to “v3” . . . . Or, could it be as simple as more RAM?? I have 16 GB, which htop really doesn’t show I am touching into very much of that for my daily needs. Trying to find that “middle ground” in having enough RAM to get around on the interweb with reasonable power use.
I get that the Mac Pro 5.1 is a bit of a “gas hog” vis power, but largely my needs are comparatively “humble.” I would like to stay with TW’s newest kernels and . . . have the machine wake up after suspending it. If I could click in a part to do that, that would for now, be “great.”
I used to be a person who engaged in risky lifestyle behaviors . . . when I was young . . . now I have become, sadly, risk averse. : - 0
Funny you should say that … I was a little confused by @malcolmlewis saying that the 470 drivers were the best you could get because I have a 750ti and am using the latest 570 drivers … then I went to the driver page at Nvidia and discovered that anything 750ti or below (including the 600 series) or 800 and above all had 570 series drivers while the 760, 770 and 780’s were stuck at 470 drivers.
Maybe it’s just a case of a “lemon card” so to speak … maybe find a card you can swap in to test with?
I have a 750ti with an FX6100 6-core cpu on Wayland and suspend/resume works just fine.
windeath:/home/dart/Downloads # System:
Kernel: 6.14.0-1-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.1
clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.14.0-1-default
root=UUID=90e7b277-8c2a-4a99-8faa-8ba8efe76b20 iommu=noagp
iommu=noaperture loglevel=4 plymouth.enable=0
resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WDS100T2B0A-00SM50_183183802584-part3
mitigations=auto
Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 6.3.3 tk: Qt v: N/A info: frameworks v: 6.12.0
wm: kwin_wayland tools: avail: gtklock, lxlock, swayidle, swaylock,
xscreensaver vt: 3 dm: 1: GDM v: 48.0 2: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed
20250331
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nvidia
v: 570.133.07 alternate: nouveau,nvidia_drm non-free: 550/565.xx+
status: current (as of 2025-01; EOL~2026-12-xx) arch: Maxwell code: GMxxx
process: TSMC 28nm built: 2014-2019 pcie: gen: 2 speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 16
link-max: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s ports: active: none off: HDMI-A-1
empty: DP-1,DVI-I-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:1380 class-ID: 0300
Device-2: Logitech HD Webcam C615 driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo type: USB
rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 bus-ID: 5-1:2 chip-ID: 046d:082c
class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter>
Display: wayland server: X.org v: 1.21.1.15 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.6
compositor: kwin_wayland driver: X: loaded: nvidia
gpu: nvidia,nvidia-nvswitch display-ID: 0
Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 model: Toshiba TOSHIBA-TV serial: <filter> built: 2012
res: 1920x1080 dpi: 30 gamma: 1.2 size: 1600x900mm (62.99x35.43")
diag: 1836mm (72.3") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 640x480
API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: nvidia platforms: device: 0 drv: nvidia gbm:
drv: nvidia surfaceless: drv: nvidia wayland: drv: nvidia x11: drv: nvidia
API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 vendor: nvidia v: 570.133.07 glx-v: 1.4
direct-render: yes renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
memory: 1.95 GiB display-ID: :1.0
API: Vulkan v: 1.4.309 layers: 1 device: 0 type: discrete-gpu name: NVIDIA
GeForce GTX 750 Ti driver: N/A device-ID: 10de:1380
surfaces: xcb,xlib,wayland
Info: Tools: api: clinfo, eglinfo, glxinfo, vulkaninfo de: kscreen-console,
kscreen-doctor, xfce4-display-settings gpu: nvidia-settings,nvidia-smi
wl: kanshi, swaymsg, wayland-info x11: xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Maybe even try the drivers the “hard way” … it’s not really that hard 
Unless I acquire a motherboard that came to me installed in a case, I always find a way to boot it before committing it to a case.
I have serious doubts resume failure would be solved by a CPU change. CPU support depends on BIOS, chipset and socket support. As Intel develops new form factors requiring different sockets, development for old sockets ceases, meaning there is a narrow range of CPUs a typical Intel socket supports. Within a given range, the most expensive CPUs with the most instructions are usually early out the door, e.g. those for server duty, like what you have now with a W3565. IOW, that Mac isn’t ever going to support v3 unless the Mac aftermarket is making CPU conversion kits now for Intel like it did decades ago for Motorola; or the case it’s in supports a newer Mac motherboard using a socket that supports v3 CPUs (Haswell i3, i5, i7, Xeon or newer).
Ok … I checked again and not the 600 or 800/900m notebook series but still GTX 7xx then the 900/10 series are at 570 and all the same size… strange that the 760, 770 and 780 GTX are not … still weird
Thanks all for the recent comments . . . appreciate that.
On the 750ti card . . . that might be an option, there is a local guy here in LA who flashes cards for Mac, I’d have to look through what he has.
One of the reasons I went with the 780 is that it supported the range of OSXs that I have installed . . . I think I have 10.9 to 10.15 and that card covers that range. Opfer mussen gebracht werden . . . either in $$$ or time or in OSs . . . . It would be nice to be able to flog this machine forward for a bit longer . . . with parts added in.
@non_space You need to ignore any numbers used, the only things that are important is the PCI ID and the Architecture in use, Yours is a Kepler-2 (Legacy) a physical chip, @dart364 card is Maxwell Architecture and still supported… My Nvidia Tesla P4 is Pascal and still supported…
Likely the flashing indicated will just be for the card BIOS version…
@non_space Go to this 570.133.07 driver page and click on the “supported products” section and see if he has a cheap one of the GeForce 16/10/900 or 700 series … those would be the ones you’re most likely to find
As you said, “Odd,” in looking at your linked page in the “700” series, your 750ti is supported, but the 780 is not listed . . . . "Missed it by that much, Chief . . . " [cultural quote from the 60’s]
It’ll take some research to see what is available and what will give me the most OS range . . . . I think I recall he had some Titans . . . but don’t think they dropped back to 10.9 . . . .
Anyway, thanks kindly for that link to nvidia driver page. I do like the way their products render the display, but then . . . starting to see they are “high maintenance” relationship . . . .
Yep. Remember this are legacy parts. They are outperformed at length by any reasonable Mini PC, such as one of these:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=mini+pc+am+ryzen+7+5825u
Yep. You may either go with a mini PC or start with ATX. 4 Components will suffice for testing.
A used legacy 6700k or 3400g are cheap and will provide everything you need without the hassle of discrete graphics.
The Mac Pro 5.1 is indeed a terrible power hog: Reddit - The heart of the internet
Going with ATX retail components is a low risk undertaking. Trying to upgrade the Mac Pro is the toughest and most frustrating option.
Numerous other options are available, but subtleties exist. You may consider to post your option in this forum before buying the components. If available you may contact a dealer in town.
OK, starting to catch up to the “legacy parts” gambit . . . not having ever purchased a mobo or a long time since I upgraded the cpu on my ailing '00 Powermac . . . . I’m not acutely aware of the options in parts.
But, I can see that the Mac Mini in the same year of machine, but using onboard graphics does not yet seem to have hit this “non-revival” problem . . . possibly due to “discrete graphics” . . . .
Alrighty, well seems like in life I have chosen the “most frustrating options” . . . for “entertainment” or to make it difficult . . . .
So, if we haven’t gotten into “the subtleties” yet, you did mention something about “networking” . . . . But, in the meanwhile I did reach out to my semi-local purveyor of flashed for Mac Nvidia/Radeon cards for some advice on a card to get me from OSX 10.9 - 10.15 I believe I a running, and then keep pace with the latest linux drivers . . . .
He has an Nvidia 750ti but it is only a “2 GB” card. I think my 780 is possibly a 4GB running on my “3GB” cpu . . . but he has a 680 option with options for “4GB”??? Sometimes I run distributed.net stats and then having a faster card comes in handy, running stats with a gas hog, etc.
Zypper installed the 6.14.1-1 kernel this morning . . . booting into it, brings revival function after two suspends, but does not revive from the third.
That means you are not on standard TW
Explain plz. How would I get on “non-standard” TW? All I do is run zypper dup . . . and then another way of looking at it; as TW is constantly rolling, how would there even be a “standard” edition to some how slip away from?
When did the “non-standard” edition of TW enter into the mix?? Back with the last large package upgrade that started this thread? All I am looking for is basic function of an OS . . . but what is “interesting” is that most of these 6.13+ kernels will work one or two times to revive the display, run fine until I do suspend, but then don’t work??
TW does not have kernel 6.14.1-1 :
knurpht@Lenovo-P16:~> uname -a
Linux Lenovo-P16 6.14.0-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Mar 25 06:23:18 UTC 2025 (ab99d4c) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
knurpht@Lenovo-P16:~>
And please don’t refer to the subject. I’d consider almost the entire thread off-topic from that perspective.
The latest full rebuild was ages ago.