Hi,
Of the two servers, forums.novell.com has died completely, but
forums.opensuse.org works. In fact, the second has some posts that the
f.n.c did not have.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Hi
Yes it’s down and out for the weekend as there are some changes going
on on that side. I suggest keeping it on forums.opensuse.org as
suggested the other day 
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop
up 10:04, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
On 2012-04-29 16:48, malcolmlewis wrote:
> Hi
> Yes it’s down and out for the weekend as there are some changes going
> on on that side. I suggest keeping it on forums.opensuse.org as
> suggested the other day 
If they are doing changes, nobody thought to announce it. Not in the
announcements forum, that I can see.
Yes, I switched to f.o.o, but that caused hundreds of duplicate posts.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Hi
I would guess that it was since it’s a Novell forum issue and not the
openSUSE forum… Suggest you follow up with the Novell admins.
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop
up 14:30, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
On 2012-04-29 21:14, malcolmlewis wrote:
> Hi
> I would guess that it was since it’s a Novell forum issue and not the
> openSUSE forum… Suggest you follow up with the Novell admins.
No, it is an openSUSE forum issue.
The nntp servers are multiforums, and one of them is this forum.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-04-29 16:48, malcolmlewis wrote:
>
>> Hi Yes it’s down and out for the weekend as there are some changes
>> going on on that side. I suggest keeping it on forums.opensuse.org as
>> suggested the other day
>
> If they are doing changes, nobody thought to announce it. Not in the
> announcements forum, that I can see.
Because it’s the Novell forums, Carlos. Today there is a separate
address for the openSUSE forums. Both news servers do host all of the
forums for Novell, NetIQ, SUSE, and openSUSE, but if you’re having
problems with the openSUSE forums, the first thing to do is check that
you’re using the correct server.
NNTP is designed so that newsgroups can be hosted redundantly on multiple
servers and messages can be fed. That’s how USENET works. It’s
distributed, and the NNTP protocol facilitates that distribution.
But if, say, MIT’s NNTP server was going to be offline for a while, they
might not necessarily post a message that would be visible on Cornell’s
NNTP servers.
> Yes, I switched to f.o.o, but that caused hundreds of duplicate posts.
It would depending on your configuration. The setup is “clustered”, but
the message counters are different on the different servers. Again,
that’s how NNTP works in a distributed setup.
Now you know that you should be using forums.opensuse.org:119 for the
openSUSE forums.
Your feedback has been passed along to those responsible.
Jim
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2012-04-29 23:10, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> But if, say, MIT’s NNTP server was going to be offline for a while, they
> might not necessarily post a message that would be visible on Cornell’s
> NNTP servers.
That’s a good point.
But it would be polite to announce the downtime.
But… by the same token, if it is equally proper to subscribe to say, Mit’
chit chat at Cornell chit chat copy. It is a distributed network of
servers. Meaning, that it is completely proper to subscribe to an oS.o
forum at the novell server, or viceversa. 
>> Yes, I switched to f.o.o, but that caused hundreds of duplicate posts.
>
> It would depending on your configuration. The setup is “clustered”, but
> the message counters are different on the different servers. Again,
> that’s how NNTP works in a distributed setup.
I simply added a second server to leafnode, and when I looked there were
many duplicates (not even nearly all) - meaning that the msgids were different.
> Now you know that you should be using forums.opensuse.org:119 for the
> openSUSE forums.
>
> Your feedback has been passed along to those responsible.
Thanks.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:58:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-04-29 23:10, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> But if, say, MIT’s NNTP server was going to be offline for a while,
>> they might not necessarily post a message that would be visible on
>> Cornell’s NNTP servers.
>
> That’s a good point.
>
> But it would be polite to announce the downtime.
Honestly, it probably didn’t occur to anyone that OSF users might be
using forums.novell.com because the address was changed in the FAQ 2
years ago.
> But… by the same token, if it is equally proper to subscribe to say,
> Mit’ chit chat at Cornell chit chat copy. It is a distributed network of
> servers. Meaning, that it is completely proper to subscribe to an oS.o
> forum at the novell server, or viceversa.
But 99% of the users who use the Cornell server don’t care if the MIT
server is down. Similarly, 99% of the users who use the openSUSE NNTP
server don’t care that the Novell NNTP server is down. The only ones who
do are the ones who either also use the Novell NNTP server or who are
using a configuration that’s not been part of the FAQ for 2 years.
>>> Yes, I switched to f.o.o, but that caused hundreds of duplicate posts.
>>
>> It would depending on your configuration. The setup is “clustered”,
>> but the message counters are different on the different servers.
>> Again, that’s how NNTP works in a distributed setup.
>
> I simply added a second server to leafnode, and when I looked there were
> many duplicates (not even nearly all) - meaning that the msgids were
> different.
They shouldn’t be - that sounds like a Leafnode issue. MessageIDs on the
two servers should be the same - the message ID header is intended to
uniquely identify a message, regardless of which server you read it from
or post to. It’s like a GUID for a message - sometimes generated by the
client, sometimes by the server that receives the message, but when
messages are passed from serverA to serverB, the message ID is supposed
to remain the same.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2012-04-29 13:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Of the two servers, forums.novell.com has died completely, but
> forums.opensuse.org works. In fact, the second has some posts that the
> f.n.c did not have.
>
Now forums.opensuse.org is failing.
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:03:34 Telcontar fetchnews 32216 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 130.57.4.15 timed out
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:03:34 Telcontar fetchnews 32216 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 2600:806:310::103 failed: Network is unreachable
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:03:34 Telcontar fetchnews 32216 - - WARNING: some servers have not been queried!
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:33:34 Telcontar fetchnews 839 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 130.57.4.15 timed out
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:33:34 Telcontar fetchnews 839 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 2600:806:310::103 failed: Network is unreachable
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:33:34 Telcontar fetchnews 839 - - WARNING: some servers have not been queried!
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:38:34 Telcontar fetchnews 1007 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 130.57.4.15 timed out
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:38:34 Telcontar fetchnews 1007 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 2600:806:310::103 failed: Network is unreachable
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 15:38:34 Telcontar fetchnews 1007 - - WARNING: some servers have not been queried!
> <7.3> 2012-04-30 16:23:09 Telcontar fetchnews 2669 - - Cannot obtain lock file, aborting.
> <7.3> 2012-04-30 16:23:17 Telcontar fetchnews 2501 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 16:23:17 Telcontar fetchnews 2501 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 16:33:34 Telcontar fetchnews 3048 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 130.57.4.15 timed out
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 16:33:34 Telcontar fetchnews 3048 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 2600:806:310::103 failed: Network is unreachable
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 16:33:34 Telcontar fetchnews 3048 - - WARNING: some servers have not been queried!
> <7.3> 2012-04-30 16:43:07 Telcontar fetchnews 3240 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 16:43:07 Telcontar fetchnews 3240 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
> <7.3> 2012-04-30 16:53:08 Telcontar fetchnews 3628 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 16:53:08 Telcontar fetchnews 3628 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 17:18:34 Telcontar fetchnews 4738 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 130.57.4.15 timed out
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 17:18:34 Telcontar fetchnews 4738 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 2600:806:310::103 failed: Network is unreachable
> <7.4> 2012-04-30 17:18:34 Telcontar fetchnews 4738 - - WARNING: some servers have not been queried!
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 2012-04-30 17:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Now forums.opensuse.org is failing.
And this time it is not announced here.
Is somebody doing something about this?
Now you can not tell me I’m using the wrong server! >;-)
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Hi
You must have network issues, it’s all working fine here, no connection
errors in my nntp logs…
telnet forums.opensuse.org 119
Trying 130.57.4.15...
Connected to forums.opensuse.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 Welcome to forums.novell.com! (Typhoon v2.1.2.394)
^]
Connection closed by foreign host.
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop
up 1 day 11:43, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
On 2012-04-30 18:30, malcolmlewis wrote:
> You must have network issues, it’s all working fine here, no connection
> errors in my nntp logs…
I don’t have network issues. You will not notice in one connection, because
it is an intermittent problem.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-04-30 18:30, malcolmlewis wrote:
>> You must have network issues, it’s all working fine here, no connection
>> errors in my nntp logs…
>
> I don’t have network issues. You will not notice in one connection,
> because it is an intermittent problem.
It seems fine here as well.
If it had been a planned outage, it would’ve been announced. Not all
outages are planned.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-04-30 18:30, malcolmlewis wrote:
>> You must have network issues, it’s all working fine here, no connection
>> errors in my nntp logs…
>
> I don’t have network issues. You will not notice in one connection,
> because it is an intermittent problem.
I asked and was told that there was nothing scheduled in terms of
maintenance and no other reports of problems.
Sounds like either something at your end or something somewhere between
your end and the server.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2012-04-30 23:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Sounds like either something at your end or something somewhere between
> your end and the server.
No, nothing in my end, I would notice.
It is an intermittent problem at suse side, IMHO. It is continuing. Others
do not detect it because desktop software do not log errors normally.
> <7.3> 2012-05-01 01:13:07 Telcontar fetchnews 18536 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 01:13:07 Telcontar fetchnews 18536 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 02:38:34 Telcontar fetchnews 21846 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 130.57.4.15 timed out
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 02:38:34 Telcontar fetchnews 21846 - - warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 2600:806:310::103 failed: Network is unreachable
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 02:38:34 Telcontar fetchnews 21846 - - WARNING: some servers have not been queried!
> <7.3> 2012-05-01 02:53:09 Telcontar fetchnews 22376 - - Cannot obtain lock file, aborting.
> <7.3> 2012-05-01 02:53:13 Telcontar fetchnews 22198 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 02:53:13 Telcontar fetchnews 22198 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
> <7.3> 2012-05-01 03:08:07 Telcontar fetchnews 22763 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 03:08:07 Telcontar fetchnews 22763 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
> <7.3> 2012-05-01 03:53:07 Telcontar fetchnews 24399 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 03:53:07 Telcontar fetchnews 24399 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Tue, 01 May 2012 02:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> No, nothing in my end, I would notice.
>
> It is an intermittent problem at suse side, IMHO. It is continuing.
> Others do not detect it because desktop software do not log errors
> normally.
It’s nothing at the server’s end. A couple of us run regular
connectivity checks to the server and are notified when it goes down.
So it must be something between you and the servers that’s not on the
path from me to the servers or others’ routes.
Jim
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2012-05-01 04:47, Jim Henderson wrote:
> It’s nothing at the server’s end. A couple of us run regular
> connectivity checks to the server and are notified when it goes down.
Mmm.
> So it must be something between you and the servers that’s not on the
> path from me to the servers or others’ routes.
Anything on my machine or internet would affect more than one service, and
nntp to suse is the only one affected.
Look, right now opensuse.org failed, novell succeeded - I have activated
both servers in my config:
> leafnode 1.11.8: verbosity level is 1, debugmode is 1
> try_lock(timeout=5), fqdn="Telcontar.valinor"
> forums.opensuse.org: connecting to port nntp...
> warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 130.57.4.15 timed out
> warning: forums.opensuse.org: connection to 2600:806:310::103 failed: Network is unreachable
> forums.opensuse.org: address list exhausted without establishing connection.
> forums.opensuse.org: connection failed.
> forums.novell.com: connecting to port nntp...
> forums.novell.com: connected to 130.57.5.118:119, reply: 200
> forums.novell.com: connected.
> forums.novell.com: using STAT <message-ID> command.
> Not posting to forums.novell.com: nopost-set
> forums.novell.com: conversation completed, disconnected.
> WARNING: some servers have not been queried!
> 2012-05-01 05:30:22+02:00
Tried a second time, both succeeded.
Now the cron job triggered, and the first server stuck at “GROUP
opensuse.org.news.security-announcements”, till the second cron job
triggered - this produces this set of errors:
> <7.3> 2012-05-01 05:38:07 Telcontar fetchnews 28504 - - error: NNTP server went away (server disconnect or timeout)
> <7.4> 2012-05-01 05:38:07 Telcontar fetchnews 28504 - - Warning: aborting fetch from forums.opensuse.org due to previous condition.
> <7.3> 2012-05-01 05:38:09 Telcontar fetchnews 28699 - - Cannot obtain lock file, aborting.
Now I fire a third fetch and it succeeds (both servers).
To me it looks like a problem at the suse side of things.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
> To me it looks like a problem at the suse side of things.
Hi Carlos,
You say it is intermittent. How intermittent? If it occurs often enough
to do some probing, I’d suggest running traceroute or similar whilst the
problem occurs. I’d also suggest using telnet to emulate an nntp
connection, just in case that shows something interesting.
HTH, Dave
On 2012-05-01 11:30, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> To me it looks like a problem at the suse side of things.
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> You say it is intermittent. How intermittent? If it occurs often enough
> to do some probing, I’d suggest running traceroute or similar whilst the
> problem occurs. I’d also suggest using telnet to emulate an nntp
> connection, just in case that shows something interesting.
Traceroute would have to be done on the nntp port. I’m not familiar enough
with the protocol to try telnet, and I would have to try dozens of times.
It is intermitent. I have cron jobs connecting at minutes ?3 and ?8, that
is, 12 connections per hour. Some fail. No failures in the last hour and a
bit, previous failures were in the early hours.
> Telcontar:~ # traceroute -T -p 119 forums.opensuse.org
> traceroute to forums.opensuse.org (130.57.4.15), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets using TCP
> 1 router (192.168.1.1) 0.593 ms 0.471 ms 0.470 ms
> 2 131.Red-80-58-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net (80.58.67.131) 53.879 ms 56.558 ms 59.380 ms
> 3 141.Red-80-58-94.staticIP.rima-tde.net (80.58.94.141) 76.463 ms 79.247 ms 82.318 ms
> 4 181.Red-80-58-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net (80.58.76.181) 83.181 ms 83.898 ms 88.773 ms
> 5 Et-5-0-0-1-0-grtmadno1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.11.49) 93.906 ms 167.141 ms 166.039 ms
> 6 Xe5-1-4-0-grtpareq1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.12.10) 164.932 ms So6-3-0-0-grtparix3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.12.118) 163.827 ms Xe7-0-4-0-grtparix1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.49.238) 162.724 ms
> 7 Xe7-1-1-0-grtwaseq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net.123.142.94.in-addr.arpa (94.142.123.193) 293.861 ms So2-1-0-0-grtwaseq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.36.210) 292.759 ms Xe3-1-6-0-grtwaseq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net.116.142.94.in-addr.arpa (94.142.116.221) 291.656 ms
> 8 xe-0-0-0.GW9.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.179.50.113) 248.790 ms 247.685 ms 246.585 ms
> 9 0.xe-1-1-0.XL1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.33.158) 222.569 ms 221.467 ms 220.480 ms
> 10 0.ge-1-1-0.XT1.DEN4.ALTER.NET (152.63.88.54) 526.794 ms 525.691 ms 524.588 ms
> 11 POS6-0.GW3.DEN4.ALTER.NET (152.63.72.69) 314.046 ms 379.943 ms 239.716 ms
> 12 unknown.customer.alter.net (65.206.183.22) 241.830 ms 240.914 ms 245.189 ms
> 13 192.94.118.247 (192.94.118.247) 254.181 ms 245.142 ms 243.894 ms
> 14 * * *
> 15 cot.novell.com (130.57.4.15) 638.258 ms 637.169 ms 636.074 ms
> Telcontar:~ #
Traceroute is not much use here, as the problem some times hit at the start
of the conversation, and sometimes in the middle.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Tue, 01 May 2012 03:43:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> To me it looks like a problem at the suse side of things.
Logically, if it were, then others would see the problem as well.
It may not be on your local network, but on a hop between you and the
server.
You could try using tcptraceroute when the connection fails.
But that you seem to be the only one having a problem tells me that it’s
not on the SUSE end of things. Logically, others would also see a
problem if it were.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C