Wow, I haven’t used OpenSuse Leap in a long time but never remembered it taking about 2 hours to install from a 3.6 GB DVD ISO!? What’s point in spending 3.5 hours downloading a near 4gb ISO when it downloads everything from the repos anyway? I thought the Net Installer was for downloading straight from repos, and the big dvd ISO was to have all packages installed straight from the big ISO so installation was faster?
I started the installation of packages at 10:55pm and it’s now 12:45am and I’m just now installing the boot loader… wtf going on guys? LOL! Also would be nice to have option for XFCE4, or individual ISOs for whatever DE you want, like Fedora does… KDE ISO, XFCE ISO, Gnome ISO, etc etc. Further, was wondering if after a whopping 5.5 hours of downloading and installing, if I’m able to even install my favorite brave browser into this anyway? Or did I waste 5.5 hours for nothing, and just stick with Windows 7.
Edit: 12:50am now, and its still stuck at 50% of saving bootloader in virtualbox… wtf… you guys really REALLY NEED to get your ISO sizes down and installation times… I tried installing this other day and had no patience for it to finish… takes too **** long.
During the install, it probably asked if you wanted to connect to the online repos. The trick is to say “no” to that. Then it installs only from the install DVD. You can update later to bring it up to the online repo level.
Yeah that’s probably what happened, but that option should be disabled or ticked off in the big dvd ISO automatically, cause it defeats purpose of downloading the big ISO only to do what the Net Installer does anyway lol. I should have just downloaded the Net Installer then… lmao. Also, I did the LVM on LUKS encrypt drive option, and I get two prompts for entering same password to unlock drive? 1st time is plain black screen with text for the password, then another nice background one with white input field… shouldn’t there only be ONE time of entering password/passphrase to unlock drive? I’m assuming virtualbox guest additions aren’t installed out of box via kernel, cause the 800x600 screen resolution is what I have and it sucks lol.
On Fri 22 Mar 2019 05:06:03 AM CDT, nrickert wrote:
I’m not sure what you did.
During the install, it probably asked if you wanted to connect to the
online repos. The trick is to say “no” to that. Then it installs only
from the install DVD. You can update later to bring it up to the online
repo level.
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Looks like there are some issues with the Leap 15.0 repositories,
likely the OP hit this issue when installing…
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I normally install just from the DVD, so I say “no” on repos. However with Leap 42.1, as I recall, the “shim.efi” was broken on the DVD so it was better to use the repos to get a good install for that release.
Also, I did the LVM on LUKS encrypt drive option, and I get two prompts for entering same password to unlock drive?
Yes, this can happen.
The first prompt is by grub2, so that it can access what it needs for booting. And it’s a rather barren prompt, because there’s nothing running. The second prompt is to provide the passphrase to the kernel, as needed for your running system. There is no secure way for grub2 to communicate the passphrase to the kernel.
For myself, I use a separate unencrypted “/boot”. So grub2 does not need the passphrase and I am only prompted once. But then I am not using “btrfs”. It is best to not have a separate “/boot” if using “btrfs” for the root file system.
There’s an alternative work around that some people use. You can put the passphrase into a file and have the kernel pick it up from there. The catch22 is that the file is not readable until after the kernel has the passphrase. So you also need to make sure that the file is copied into the “initrd”. Whether this weakens security too much is for you to decide. Personally, I prefer to enter the passphrase twice in that situation (and I do on one of my systems).
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 05:16:03 +0000, matteopa wrote:
> Yeah that’s probably what happened, but that option should be disabled
> or ticked off in the big dvd ISO automatically, cause it defeats purpose
> of downloading the big ISO only to do what the Net Installer does anyway
> lol.
Well, it has been months since 15.0 released, so likely there would have
been a bunch of package updates even if the repos hadn’t been having a
problem (which currently they are).
Replying back to confirm that I did actually click the “configure repos” button or whatever, cause it was there and I wasn’t thinking it would actually download from them. I just assumed it was get them ready for later after installation was done. Maybe if that button was “greyed out” for the big DVD ISO it would help. I tried the install again just now and it went faster since I didn’t click that “configure repos” button this time. Of course there’s 300 some updates to download now so it will take a little while to update lol.
Regarding the LVM on LUKS, that makes sense I guess, even though other distros don’t do that. In this latest installation I didn’t do the LVM on LUKS, cause I just want to install Leap and see how things are in general. It would be nice if Brave browser was included in the repos and not sure if it’s possible to just add the RPM repos for RHEL or Fedora? Brave does offer an RPM download of their browser. Would this be possible?
Anyway, I managed to just add this brave browser repo in terminal with name “brave-browser” for the repo name… and didn’t bother with signature/keyring stuff… and installed brave browser lol. but i guess there’s not much more to be done because it’s always so **** complex to install a measly favorite browser into distros anymore. Never understood why it’s so complex to be able to install your favorite browser into any linux distro. Hence why I always stayed on Windows 7. Too bad Windows 7 EOL is Jan 14th 2020… eye roll. If I have to move to linux, I’ll probably go with distro without systemd in it, which is another topic itself. Would be nice if most top named distros dropped “systemd” totally. Systemd in linux is like the hot chick with herpes/HIV. “hot chick” = linux distro and “systemd” = herpes /HIV
If it’s any consolation,
The LEAP 15.0 DVD ISO is very old (as of today. 15.1 is currently in pre-release testing).
This means that if you install only from the DVD, you’d still want to install updates to make your brand new install secure and full-featured, fixing any problems discovered over the past year or so…
Compare the very big post-install updates vs installing from online sources where you install updates from the beginning, you’ll probably find that the overall time spent would be nearly the same or possibly a bit shorter by installing the updates during the install and not afterwards.
As for selecting Desktops…
Yes, I’m wondering what the overall feedback will be about what you experienced which is very new and would happen <only> if you configured Online Repos (If you had installed only using the DVD, you would have seen the old Desktop selection). The old way was simple and easy to understand, you selected a radio button. The new way might be a bit more efficient and might mean a tiny bit less maintenance but definitely requires the User to understand the YaST Software Manager from the get-go which is probably not going to be the case for brand new Users or like yourself Users who have not seen this tool for a long time. And, in another Forum thread when I mentioned this new Installer, I also described a likely mistake newbies might make that wouldn’t happen using the old Installer.
My early reaction is that the change isn’t a big deal for experienced openSUSE Users, but should be re-evaluated for when inexperienced Users can understand what is going on.
Regarding the installer in general, I noticed there was a XFCE desktop option in 15.1 beta with a radio button, hence confused when I downloaded the Leap 15 DVD stable release one and didn’t see it there, so I went with KDE. I guess Leap 15.1 or whatever will come with XFCE option? I couldn’t find in release notes any where about what the difference is between 15 and 15.1 versions?
But yeah you’re probably right, it’s probably better to download from repos, cause then I’ll have the updated files right off bat from the repos. It took 30 minutes or so to install from DVD, then another 30 minutes to install 600 some updates. If I were to use OpenSuse, I’m probably better off just using one of the 15.1 ISOs… and use it on through it’s release date.
I’m still in experiment mode with various distros, seeing which ones do what I want and need done. I do love the option to pick whichever desktop environment you want during installation, but I’d I also wouldn’t mind seeing different spins /ISOs for each desktop environment like Fedora offers. If user just wants XFCE, they could download just OpenSuse Leap 15.1 XFCE ISO, or OpenSuse Leap 15.1 KDE ISO, etc… then the ISOs wouldn’t be so huge in size. A lot of times my internet cuts out on me in middle of night while I’m sleeping and I’m at 3.4 or 3.5GB out of 3.6 and download fails… then I have to start all over again and wait 3.5 hours to get done downloading. >_<
Whenever you don’t see the Desktop you want to install initially,
If using a DVD, for some Desktops like XFCE, LXDE, LXQt and Enlightenment (IIRC), you can select the “custom” radio button, then when you see the YaST software manager select the pattern for your Desktop.
But, if your desired Desktop still is not available using the DVD source, then you’ll first need to configure “Use Online Sources” which will give you access to many more packages, and after that select the “custom” radio button.
If using the NET image, IIRC is somewhat similar to using the DVD, you may assume that you’re already using online sources, but the online sources are different if you again select installing from “Online Sources”
Some Desktops might be available but for whatever reason might not be defined as a pattern, Cinnamon comes to mind as an example. You’ll have to search and install it as a package, not a pattern.
I can’t comment on the 15.1 install for now, haven’t gotten around to looking at that and because it’s in Beta it’s anyone’s guess what will end up in the final release (eg maybe the current installer hasn’t yet been upgraded to what is now in TW and 15.0 using online sources… and not a move to older formats)
It would be nice if Brave browser was included in the repos and not sure if it’s possible to just add the RPM repos for RHEL or Fedora? Brave does offer an RPM download of their browser. Would this be possible?