Installed 13.2 MS0 AMD64 from DVD-media in a VirtualBox session. Works a-ok. Set up NFS-shares, Printer/Scanner (Brother MFC 7360). I haven’t bee able to crash the session testing different set up’s and reboots. Works very well after/installed rdesktop-1.7.1-5.1.1.x86_64 on my PC. ?
What make me hick-up was the suggested partitioning**. Brfs may be technically superior as a file system but it doesn’t create a trust for a user when see “suggested partitioned”. This is a win for developers. Not for users. O yes I’m skilled enough to make the different.
Yes, I agree. That screen is only for experienced users. It will scare away inexperienced users.
If they want “btrfs” to be the default, they have to change that screen to show only one line listing the file system. There could perhaps be a button to open the full list of subvolumes, but that should not be shown by default.
Ext4 will still be there. Upgrading will still keep the same file system. I’m not sure whether a new install to existing partitions will suggest reformatting the root partition to “btrfs”. I seem to recall it did that on me reinstall (from failed install via live KDE to successful install from DVD)
On 2014-03-22 14:26, nrickert wrote:
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> jonte1;2632095 Wrote:
Er… why is this in the chit-chat forum, and not in the Beta forum?
>> What make me hick-up was the suggested partitioning. Brfs may be
>> technically superior as a file system but it doesn’t create a trust
>> for a user when see “suggested partitioned”. This is a win for
>> developers. Not for users. O yes I’m skilled enough to make the
>> different.
> Yes, I agree. That screen is only for experienced users. It will scare
> away inexperienced users.
>
> If they want “btrfs” to be the default, they have to change that screen
> to show only one line listing the file system. There could perhaps be a
> button to open the full list of subvolumes, but that should not be shown
> by default.
>
> I’ll be sticking with “ext4” for my installs.
If I remember correctly, they did something like this also with 13.1
factory. Btrfs is suggested as default for beta testers, and on the
final release the default is again ext4 (unless the powers that be
decide to accept btrfs as default for this release).
Beta testers are by definition experts >;-)
So this is exactly as intended.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
Do you realy want this to be discussed in earnest? Then why is it in General Chit-Chat.
I e.g. skipped this thread until now because I generaly do not like it to take part in Chit-Chat threads.
When, as an afterthough, you think that this in fact belongs to the Pre-Release/Beta forum, then please say so. Then it will be moved.
I don’t know for sure if I think this belongs in Pre-Release/Beta forum instead. What I did (and I do lt a lot) was to send up a test balloon. Right or wrong. To see what reactions (if any) recived. The issue is already discussed in Pre-Release/Beta forum. I had a thought to have a opinion from ordinary users and not only nerds testing alpha/beta.
If you like so please move it. I leave that decision to you. No hard feelings from me in that case.
I now read through the whole thread. Isn’t the real subject the BTRFS decission.? There is nothing in the title that mirrors this.
How you plan for your subject getting attention of people interested in it by putting it in the Chit-Chat forum with that title is beyond my imagination, but I may be too pessimistic. But it is what you decided. And when you still do think you did that correct, I will leave it here for those roaming General Chit-Chat.
Hmm… Btrfs is already reported as default file system on Opensuse13.2 system by a number sites/bloggs. Why?
-The btrfs filesystem is default (and comes with btrfsprogs 3.12), as is the wicked network management tool (replacing ifup) and the dracut initrd replacement says the official page.
Well thank you about definition of beta testers, -but I also have another point of view. Usability. Even for single users
Ok! I confess. Useless title for the tread. I respect your decision to leave the tread here. I didn’t decide, -I left the decision to you to make. And you did. Maybe I have already reatch my target.
Yes, they are wanting to replace initrd with dracut since about two
years at least. And they talked about using wicked, yes. Again, no
surprises.
> Well thank you about definition of beta testers, -but I also have
> another point of view. Usability. Even for single users
No, usability is not the goal of factory. The goal is that YOU test it,
find the problems, and help solving them. Factory, specially at these
early stages, is expected to fail, and it does. It can even destroy your
machine to smoke
If you want usability, stay on tumbleweed, that one is for end users
(but experienced).
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
Ok. Resendig my dogsopinion in Siberie. -Icebeers included. Or I own a large propety on the sun cost. I dont like the siesta. 'Asking of northen 'Eourope of some.
> Yes, they are wanting to replace initrd with dracut since about two
> years at least. And they talked about using wicked, yes. Again, no
> surprises.
>
I must be living in a fog - wtf is wicked? That seems to be default network
manager in 13.2 - and it doesn’t work at all here where NetworkManager and
manual ifup/down never had a problem with this hardware.
On 2014-03-26 01:55, Will Honea wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
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>> Yes, they are wanting to replace initrd with dracut since about two
>> years at least. And they talked about using wicked, yes. Again, no
>> surprises.
>>
>
> I must be living in a fog - wtf is wicked? That seems to be default network
> manager in 13.2 - and it doesn’t work at all here where NetworkManager and
> manual ifup/down never had a problem with this hardware.
I have not tried it myself, and I don’t know much about it. The OBS says:
Wicked is a network configuration infrastructure incorporating a number
of existing frameworks into a unified architecture, providing a DBUS
interface to network configuration.
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Spent some time this morning reading up on it. Interesting concept but
playing with it a bit leaves me believing that it needs to bake a bit more
before being served up - especially as a default.
On 2014-03-26 20:38, Will Honea wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Spent some time this morning reading up on it. Interesting concept but
> playing with it a bit leaves me believing that it needs to bake a bit more
> before being served up - especially as a default.
Well, that’s precisely what factory is for - ROTFL!
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
