And tomorrow July 14 the official support on my (win)SBS2003 server will be stopped. It has served me fine during the years. Included was a Exchange e-mail server and during my travels and working abroad behind I-net country specific firewalls was solved by vpn.
It have live the life of a VM latest years, running MS SQL for testing. I paid a lump-sum 2003.
-what a differences compared to openSUSE, even on evergreen. What a differences compared with SUSE that states yearly payments and have shorter life-span.
I tested SUSE12 both on Desktop and as a server, Not so nice that I couldn’t receive any updates.
I have tested Win10 for along time and therefore will receive a legal license. I test Win2012Server for free 180 days and that included updates.
> So in the forum, -how should I try to sell the green gecko compared with
> the competition?
It depends. What’s the right tool for the job? Don’t start with “I
should run my solution on ‘x’”, but start by looking at the job that
needs to be done and what tools are available to do it.
I have been on the wrong end of that equation too many times to decide
that my preconceived idea of how to solve a problem is the right - or
best - way to solve it.
So don’t start with “here’s the solution, now what’s the problem I’m
trying to solve” - start with a needs analysis and then evaluate the
tools available to solve it.
On 2015-07-13 20:06, jonte1 wrote:
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> And tomorrow July 14 the official support on my (win)SBS2003 server will
> be stopped. It has served me fine during the years. Included was a
> Exchange e-mail server and during my travels and working abroad behind
> I-net country specific firewalls was solved by vpn.
>
> It have live the life of a VM latest years, running MS SQL for testing.
> I paid a lump-sum 2003.
> -what a differences compared to openSUSE, even on evergreen. What a
> differences compared with SUSE that states yearly payments and have
> shorter life-span.
Yes, I’m surprised that SLES is so expensive, compared to Windows
Server. I’d have a hard time convincing any body to buy it. I mean, I
failed.
> I tested SUSE12 both on Desktop and as a server, Not so nice that I
> couldn’t receive any updates.
And you can only test it once. If you try SLE 11, you have to register,
and then you can not test SLE 12 or 13. If I want to install SLES at
home, to get used to it, so that I can recommend others to use it
professionally, I can’t. I’d be stuck at one release. I can’t train
myself on SLES for free, the way I can self-train on Windows for free.
On 2015-07-14 11:26, Miuku wrote:
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> robin_listas;2719463 Wrote:
>> And you can only test it once. If you try SLE 11, you have to register
> <cough cough> disposable email addresses <cough cough> rotfl!
I know, I know. LOL. But I try to play “correct”
I don’t like doing that to a company I like.
For those I don’t, and I give feedback in a form, say, I sign as root@somecompany.com
I started using Linux and Windows in 2000 and Windows wasn’t a patch on Linux for stability and reliability. But, all credit to MS, they got their act together with XP and Windows Server in the first few years of the century and served a whole generation of computer users well. But, for my particular needs, Windows simply couldn’t offer what I needed. Linux couldn’t offer everything I needed then - but it now offers everything I need bar one thing for which I keep an old XP computer not connected to Internet. Windows still doesn’t offer nearly all the things it didn’t off twelve years ago.
So if you have, as many people have, a limited set of needs which can be served by Windows, it may be all you need. My only observation from watching Windows users and occasionally helping them with their computers is that it is a very unhelpful interface which causes users far more problems than it should.
On 2015-07-14 23:06, john hudson wrote:
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> I started using Linux and Windows in 2000 and Windows wasn’t a patch on
> Linux for stability and reliability. But, all credit to MS, they got
> their act together with XP and Windows Server in the first few years of
> the century and served a whole generation of computer users well. But,
> for my particular needs, Windows simply couldn’t offer what I needed.
> Linux couldn’t offer everything I needed then - but it now offers
> everything I need bar one thing for which I keep an old XP computer not
> connected to Internet. Windows still doesn’t offer nearly all the things
> it didn’t off twelve years ago.
There are several things that I can’t do on Linux and require a Windows
machine. For instance, buy ebooks (needs Adobe Digital Editions), update
the map on a TomTom car navigator, update or backup a mobile phone
(Samsung, Nokia), configure my switch, and others I have forgotten. Ie,
interaction with bought gadgets, even if they run Linux internally.
> So if you have, as many people have, a limited set of needs which can be
> served by Windows, it may be all you need. My only observation from
> watching Windows users and occasionally helping them with their
> computers is that it is a very unhelpful interface which causes users
> far more problems than it should.
I often say that simple things in Windows are very easy, but complicated
things are close to impossible - because they don’t have a wizard or
dialog for that task, perhaps. Instructions seem often a set of
cabalistic passes. Ie, open this dialog, click here, set that, go there,
click this…
On 2015-07-15 13:26, glistwan wrote:
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> robin_listas;2719580 Wrote:
>> On 2015-07-14 23:06, john hudson wrote:
>>
>> I often say that simple things in Windows are very easy, but complicated
>> things are close to impossible - because they don’t have a wizard or
>> dialog for that task, perhaps. Instructions seem often a set of
>> cabalistic passes. Ie, open this dialog, click here, set that, go there,
>> click this…
>>
> Everything is possible just sometimes very hard to do on Windows. Thumbs
> up for manual Windows register editing
Ever tried to change the name of the domain in AD?
Even switching to the proper video driver is sometimes very difficult,
several reboots needed. failsafe, install, reboot, etc.
11-12 years ago I bought a computer in sandland. 32-bit and at that time top of the line. It have served me well and is now located in my workshop at home. It haven’t run so well as now for the latest weeks even if It have been running light DE’s (prefered LXDE) before as on Plasma5 Thumbleweed intel-32.
Well the latest I have read in forums (that’s include RBrowns fighting on Reddit) that Thumbleweed will drop the 32-bit support. The same on openSUSE42(or should we call it “Leap”). I cant argue whit that thinking of what the developers are interested in. We others will follow like a heard of sheep’s.
I upgraded from build 10162 to build 10240 of Win10 today (they say its “final”) in a WM. One of the things I don’t like with MS is that it took 4 hours.42min. At the same time I upgraded a Thumbleweed VM, maintained the lawn mover, did a lot of phone calls etc.
Still its not a OS that is released yet but it offers 32-bits environment to buy. Well what do I know, I live in the past, present and the future :P.
> Well the latest I have read in forums (that’s include RBrowns fighting
> on Reddit) that Thumbleweed will drop the 32-bit support. The same on
> openSUSE42(or should we call it “Leap”). I cant argue whit that thinking
> of what the developers are interested in. We others will follow like a
> heard of sheep’s.
I have a 32 bit server. When 13.1+evergreen supports ends, I will have
to move to Debian. I’m told it has 32 bit support.
Unless I find another 32 bit distro that is easier.
On 2015-07-18 12:56, hank se wrote:
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> robin_listas;2719981 Wrote:
>> I have a 32 bit server. When 13.1+evergreen supports ends, I will have
>> to move to Debian. I’m told it has 32 bit support.
>>
>> Unless I find another 32 bit distro that is easier.
> Ubuntu server 14.04 LTS has 32-bit support, 15.04 as well, we will have
> to wait to see if 16.04 LTS also has.
I don’t like Ubuntu, but it is an alternative. How long will be 14.04 be
supported? If it goes beyond openSUSE 13.1 + Evergreen I can look at it.
But if U. 16.04 removes 32 bit, then I’d better go to Debian, one less move.
I’m also not an Ubuntu fan, but the servers are acceptable to me at least. Very easy to set up and I have very modest demands.
14.04 will be supported up to beginning of 2019, hardware support isn’t relevant for a 32-bit system. http://www.ubuntu.com/server
We’ve had 64bit CPUs on the home market for over a decade now, I’ve personally had no non-64 CPUs since maybe 2005 - at some point you have to move on and divert resources elsewhere.
Compiling multi-arch packages is time consuming, really, really time consuming.
On 2015-07-20 07:16, Miuku wrote:
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> We’ve had 64bit CPUs on the home market for over a decade now, I’ve
> personally had no non-64 CPUs since maybe 2005 - at some point you have
> to move on and divert resources elsewhere.
Of course that all newly bought machines are 64 bit. I guess, I don’t
know. But many of us have still 32 bit machines in working condition,
and we want to keep using them. And if we personally don’t, they often
are handed over to non profit organizations or other people needing
machines.
On the mail list I have seen people that use new 32 bit hardware on
niche applications.
Another usage is virtual machines, they are apparently smaller on 32 bit.
The different is really tiny. I can see why some super embedded systems might use 32 but the difference is so small it’s just easier to slap in 64 and an extra memory chip for a few bucks.
Still, I don’t think openSUSE even as JeOS is really suited for those tasks, even then it gulps a lot of memory out of the box compared to a minimalistic busybox setup.
