If you have been following the mailing list in Factory. You may have
noticed a ongoing discussion.
End of it is that non-oss updates have been separated from Updates
See: http://download.opensuse.org/update/12.2-non-oss/
One to watch out for in providing help to users too
On 07/02/2012 11:29 AM, caf4926 wrote:
> One to watch out for in providing help to users too
the four basic repos will become the Fantastic Five in 12.1
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dd
On 2012-07-02 14:33, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 07/02/2012 11:29 AM, caf4926 wrote:
>> One to watch out for in providing help to users too
>
> the four basic repos will become the Fantastic Five in 12.1
And equally bloated, no advantage.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Refresh my memory please.
What are the 4 basic repos, and did dd mean 12.2?
On 2012-07-02 15:56, rafter22 wrote:
>
> Refresh my memory please.
>
> What are the 4 basic repos,
dvd, oss, non-oss, updates.
> and did dd mean 12.2?
Yes
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 07/02/2012 04:13 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> dvd, oss, non-oss, updates.
yes, i meant 12.2 and Carlos meant packman, oss, non-oss and update…
(i have NO idea what he was thinking–probably something to do with a
football game [where Spain killed Italy])
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dd
On 2012-07-02 16:51, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 07/02/2012 04:13 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> dvd, oss, non-oss, updates.
>
> yes, i meant 12.2 and Carlos meant packman, oss, non-oss and update…
>
> (i have NO idea what he was thinking–probably something to do with a
> football game [where Spain killed Italy])
ROTFL!
I was deafened by the fireworks. 
Actually I do not follow “futbol”, which is strange in this country, I just
could not remember the fourth repo O:-)
Yes, packman would be the fourth, but you have to set it up manually.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 07/03/2012 01:43 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I was deafened by the fireworks.
> Actually I do not follow “futbol”
i don’t follow it either…it wasn’t until the day of the final that i
learned that Germany had been eliminated…
i could care less! unlike openSUSE, football is a waste of time, effort
and money!
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dd
Hmmm, I think there are rather a lot more people who would disagree with that than there are openSuse users or Linux users for that matter…
On 2012-07-03 09:16, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 07/03/2012 01:43 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> i could care less! unlike openSUSE, football is a waste of time, effort and
> money!
As long as it is “their” money, no problem, if it makes them happy. But it
isn’t totally, not here…
But that is offtopic.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 2012-07-03 09:46, jfarrar wrote:
> Hmmm, I think there are rather a lot more people who would disagree
> with that than there are openSuse users or Linux users for that
> matter…
Undoubtedly
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 07/03/2012 09:46 AM, jfarrar wrote:
> a lot more people who would disagree
i absolutely agree with you on that!!
but, the good thing about opinions is everyone is allowed to have their
own…there is no right or wrong…that is, i think football is a
waste of time, and if 5 billion think it is not, then that makes no
difference, to me and my opinion…
see, there might even be 5 billion that think it is a waste of time, and
still you are entitled to be the worlds biggest fan, and i should never
say you are wrong for wasting your time.
agree?
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dd
That is what I thought, but wanted to be sure.
I have all my multimedia working, so have packman disabled, not happy with the lack of updates in the update repo, but it is, what it is.
Thanks!
On 07/03/2012 05:46 PM, rafter22 wrote:
> not happy
> with the lack of updates in the update repo, but it is, what it is.
whoa, i do not believe you should expect updates in the 12.2 update
repo…i mean it is in BETA testing…there will a new version along soon…
or, wellllll…i don’t do testing so i don’t know–maybe someone else
will chime in and tell me that the update repo should just be chock full
of new stuff during the beta/RC phase ???
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dd
I expect them in the 12.1 repo, but those are dependent on the maintainers. I’m not even bothering with 12.2.
I’ll try to remember that I will have to add another repo, if I upgrade to 12.2.
12.1 will still be supported for 2 months after 12.3 is released.
I don’t think I have many non-oss applications that will require updates.
On 07/04/2012 06:06 PM, rafter22 wrote:
>
> I expect them in the 12.1 repo, but those are dependent on the
> maintainers. I’m not even bothering with 12.2.
well, i thought you were running 12.2 and expecting updates…sorry…
but, 12.1 has had at least two kernel updates in the last seven or eight
days…did you get those??
hmmmm…maybe you don’t understand the difference between the security
patches and major bug fixes which flow through the update repo versus
application upgrades (to higher numbered/newer versions)…
upgrades do not, and never have flowed though the update
repo…(granted, sometimes instead of a number of small patches/bug
fixes they will push a new version into the update repo…for example
they have been doing that with the monthly Firefox and Thunderbird
releases…but the prime reason for that is when Mozilla released (for
example) FF 13 they stopped supporting FF12, which means it will never
receive any security patches…so, 13 is pushed through update)
and not seeing a lot flowing through the update repo is in reality a
good thing–because it means that the software you have has not been
determined to need to be patched because of security flaws.
> I’ll try to remember that I will have to add another repo, if I upgrade
> to 12.2.
you won’t have to remember, it will be added automatically.
> 12.1 will still be supported for 2 months after 12.3 is released.
correct…
> I don’t think I have many non-oss applications that will require
> updates.
i don’t know what you base that on…if a security flaw is discovered,
it will be patched and it will flow though the non-oss update repo…
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dd
On 2012-07-03 21:53, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 07/03/2012 05:46 PM, rafter22 wrote:
> or, wellllll…i don’t do testing so i don’t know–maybe someone else will chime in and tell me that
> the update repo should just be chock full of new stuff during the beta/RC phase ???
There usually are some fake packages provided to test updating. And in this case if I understood
correctly they are thinking of placing more packages there.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))
Curios how will users get this repo if they upgrade from 11.4 or 12.1, i guess they will add it manually…
Personally i find this to be confusing.
On 07/09/2012 08:36 AM, creatura85 wrote:
> Personally i find this to be confusing.
shouldn’t be…i’d expect the 12.2 install routine to add the new repo
to the list…no problem, no confusion, no nothing (bad)…
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dd
On 2012-07-09 08:36, creatura85 wrote:
> Curios how will users get this repo if they upgrade from 11.4 or 12.1,
> i guess they will add it manually…
If you use the online upgrade method, yes. For the offline upgrade method, no.
> Personally i find this to be confusing.
And not really that necessary.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)