The update of 11.4 to 12.1 is a disaster. It took me two whole days to eliminate the worst problems.
Parts of my emails seem to be permanently deleted.
The following effects occurred during the update on my Shuttle PC:
Boot manager hangs
Nvidia graphics card has stopped working - starting X Windows was not working
NV or Nouvetreiber did not work
Sound system (Intel ALC888) stuck
And the worst: kmail carried out some conversions, which hacked my complete mail folder. Parts of my mails are lost.
I’ve never had such a bad quality for an update!
How should a non technically experienced user handle such a system?
Cheers
Harald
On 2011-11-21 14:46, schugt wrote:
> - And the worst: kmail carried out some conversions, which hacked my
> complete mail folder. Parts of my mails are lost.
This at least I read about it a week or two before release. It was a known
issue.
> I’ve never had such a bad quality for an update!
> How should a non technically experienced user handle such a system?
By not updating to a fresh release, but waiting. At least, test it on a new
partition first.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
> I’ve never had such a bad quality for an update!
you write “update” but i wonder which you meant: upgrade or install
(install is when you format and then lay in a new system on empty hard
drive groves, while upgrade is laying the new version over the earlier
one and retaining and upgrading the existing software)
if you meant to say upgrade then i wish to ask which of these specific
paths (recommended and supported) did you take:
and, also i wonder if maybe you had a garbled install disk–did you do
this prior to the install: http://tinyurl.com/3qde66h
> How should a non technically experienced user handle such a system?
i’d say either increase your technical experience or use/purchase a
system which requires the level you wish to stagnate at…
and, i agree with you: openSUSE is not for everyone who owns a
computer…if it is beyond your capability you might see if you can hire
someone to administer it for you…
That’s not very practical is it - users of a released system should expect some level of quality in the product, trashing existing files seems a tad excessive! Telling people that they shouldn’t trust the release till a few months of user testing has passed, seems a little paranoid.
One way of coping with such problems would be to backup everything that’s practical to do, before trying the upgrade. Then install data files and config files from the backup. External hard disks of a terrabyte or so are cheap these days!
On 2011-11-21 22:16, RubyTuesday wrote:
>
> robin_listas;2407724 Wrote:
>> By not updating to a fresh release, but waiting. At least, test it on a
>> new partition first.
>>
>
> That’s not very practical is it - users of a released system should
> expect some level of quality in the product, trashing existing files
> seems a tad excessive! Telling people that they shouldn’t trust the
> release till a few months of user testing has passed, seems a little
> paranoid.
Things are as they are. This is a free product (meaning gratis), so what
you can expect is limited.
Testing is done mostly by volunteers. The more volunteers, the more QA. The
fact is that testing before release is not as intensive as many would like,
so that real intensive testing happens after release. If you are incapable
to deal with problems, it is best that you wait.
> One way of coping with such problems would be to backup everything
> that’s practical to do, before trying the upgrade. Then install data
> files and config files from the backup. External hard disks of a
> terrabyte or so are cheap these days!
Yes, and I always recommend doing a full backup before any install or upgrade.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 21/11/11 14:14, DenverD wrote:
> and, also i wonder if maybe you had a garbled install disk–did you do
> this prior to the install: http://tinyurl.com/3qde66h
And if anyone thinks verifying the burned disk in K3B or whatever you
used should be sufficient - which, to my simple mind, seems a reasonable
attitude - it isn’t. I found out the hard way. No lasting harm done, though.
I never update an existing system (following advice I read hereabouts
many years ago). I have several partitions on this machine:-
(1) 3 available for “/” of which one is operational (currently 11.4),
one is test, and the other is 12.1 (which I’ll switch to when it works
for me).
(2) A separate partition for /home.
(3) A swap partition.
(4) An unusual one perhaps - /tmp. I’ve set this up so it’s accessible
from users on all sessions.
I also have an external drive for backups of “/home.” I never bother
with backing-up “/” as that’s quite easy to re-install - as long as you
have notes of all the various settings you’ll need and all the programs
you’ve added to the base system and will need to be re-installed.
That set-up probably won’t suit everyone - or even anyone? - but it
works for me.
–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 11.4 (64-bit); KDE 4.7.3; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nVidia driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306