12.1: kmail2 migration from kmail

In trying to migrate kmail to kmail2, the automatic migration fails so I
tried “kmail-migrator --interactive”. The first time, it said it had
already done it, even when it hadn’t, so I removed the rc file and tried
again. It was going quite well but then froze - “no usable storage
location configured.”

The message on the console was "kmail-migrator(6103)/libakonadi
Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred:
“QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name” "

I know that trying to get this pile of steaming **** is going to be a
waste of time but I don’t like getting beaten so early in the fight.

Actually, if kmail2 was half as useful as said pile, it would be a great
improvement. At least that can be used as manure.


Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 12.1 (64-bit); KDE 4.7.3; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

On 08/12/11 15:38, Graham P Davis wrote:
> In trying to migrate kmail to kmail2, the automatic migration fails so I
> tried “kmail-migrator --interactive”. The first time, it said it had
> already done it, even when it hadn’t, so I removed the rc file and tried
> again. It was going quite well but then froze - “no usable storage
> location configured.”
>
> The message on the console was "kmail-migrator(6103)/libakonadi
> Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred:
> “QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name” "
>
> I know that trying to get this pile of steaming **** is going to be a
> waste of time but I don’t like getting beaten so early in the fight.
>
> Actually, if kmail2 was half as useful as said pile, it would be a great
> improvement. At least that can be used as manure.
>
>

Now switched back to 11.4 and had another try. Both kmail2 file and
folder removed along with same for migrator. Started kmail, migrate
failed, used the console version as above. It was successful - according
to the migrator tool. That tool’s meaning of “successful” is a little
different from mine. I don’t regard migration of folders without
contents as any kind of success!

Yet another daft thing is that a restart of kmail kicks off the prompt
for the migrator tool although it had run “successfully!” The migrator
won’t run because it says it has already run when , in fact, it hasn’t,
yet will run when it has already done so. What a shambles!

Any suggestions as to how to get my kmail mail migrated to kmail2?


Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 11.4 (64-bit); KDE 4.7.3; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nVidia driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:38:16 +0000, Graham P Davis wrote:

> Any suggestions as to how to get my kmail mail migrated to kmail2?

Missed the obvious. I’m running TB so I was able to import from there.
Trouble is, once everything was moved, reading an e-mail took ages.

Kmail is broken again this morning. Great!


Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 11.4 (64-bit); KDE 4.7.3; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nVidia driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

K Mail 2 is absolutely garbage. I migrated from 11.4 to 12.1 and cant even find the mailbox folders under 12.1. My question is why they even released the distro with this glaring type of error. When I migrated I copied the entire /home folder (11.4) onto another drive on the platform. When I try to inport the mail folders k Mail 2 sees the folder on the other drive but does not see any contents and thinks that things have been imported without a problem. This is just ****. When K Mail2 does work its slow, and a resource hog. Jesus what a mess. Plus there is no simple way that I can see to retrograde to K Mail from 11.4. I have used SUSe probably for the last 7 or 8 years but maybe its time to look for another distro.

Expat1

On 2011-12-16 01:36, expat1 wrote:
> My question is why they even
> released the distro with this glaring type of error.

It is a known problem. Me, that don’t use kmail, knew about it.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On 2011-12-16 01:36, expat1 wrote:
> I have used SUSe probably for the last 7 or 8 years but maybe its
> time to look for another distro.

Forgot to mention: all distros using kmail 2 have that problem, it is a
known upstream kde problem, and will take long to solve. You will even find
posts from devs saying you should use thunderbird instead.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

expat1 wrote:

>
> K Mail 2 is absolutely garbage. I migrated from 11.4 to 12.1 and cant
> even find the mailbox folders under 12.1. My question is why they even
> released the distro with this glaring type of error. When I migrated I
> copied the entire /home folder (11.4) onto another drive on the
> platform. When I try to inport the mail folders k Mail 2 sees the
> folder on the other drive but does not see any contents and thinks that
> things have been imported without a problem. This is just ****. When K
> Mail2 does work its slow, and a resource hog. Jesus what a mess. Plus
> there is no simple way that I can see to retrograde to K Mail from
> 11.4. I have used SUSe probably for the last 7 or 8 years but maybe its
> time to look for another distro.

Same issues here and on everything I support. There was some noise about
being able to “export” from kmail1 then “import” things back into kmail2 as
a workaround. I’m about ready to give that a shot but I’ve seen too many
reports of PIM issues to feel any desire to deploy 12.1 as things stand now.

It’s a pity; leave out the KDE issues and I like what I see.

For the Gnome/XFCE users: what’s the consensus on 12.1?


Will Honea

On 2011-12-16 20:55, Will Honea wrote:
> For the Gnome/XFCE users: what’s the consensus on 12.1?

I have only tried gnome on a virtual machine, which means no accel and thus
only fallback mode. Not so good.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Unhappily, I so agree.

started off with a tumbleweed migration from 11.4 (triggered by problems with kmail that the KDE bugzilla claimed were fixed in 4.7 - mistake. It didn’t work).
Then wiped and did clean install to 12.1 - same problems kmail2 crashes and won’t import data and is just a nightmare.
the integration with Akonadi seems a major backward step to me - have they got a load of ex M$ developers at KDE now?

Anyone had a look at downgrading to kmail1 and keeping akonadi and the other “rubbish” out of the way?

I also have used Suse since 9.1 but as it looks like I’m forced away from the last of the major integrated KDE apps I liked. Maybe I should look at other distros now.?

Its a shame - the rest of it seems to work OK.

Alister

OS: Linux 3.1.0-1.2-desktop x86_64
System: openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64)
KDE: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) “release 5”
Display Model: ATI Radeon 2100 RS740
2D driver: radeon
3D driver: R300 Gallium (7.11)
Networking via wireless

al1ster wrote:

> I also have used Suse since 9.1 but as it looks like I’m forced away
> from the last of the major integrated KDE apps I liked. Maybe I should
> look at other distros now.?
>
> Its a shame - the rest of it seems to work OK.

I don’t see the point of moving away from openSUSE because you’re having
trouble with kmail2. If it’s KDE you don’t like, moving to another distro
won’t make a scrap of difference. It’s like you’ve bought a can of soup from
a supermarket, didn’t like it, so you’re planning to go to a different
supermarket and buy exactly the same brand and flavour of tinned soup.


Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 12.1 (64-bit); KDE 4.7.4; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

@Cloddy
OK agree, but the kmail2 “soup” in this case is giving some of us food poisoning.
IMHO the KDE orientated package as a whole from Suse has historically been great.
Trouble is, as the suse part has been getting better and better, the KDE part has been getting (functionally/stability) worse and worse. I’d happily sacrifice the glitz for reliability.

To try and stay on-topic - if anyone has found any workarounds - please post.
The only thing I can think of is to try to figure out if I can downgrade somehow.

Will Honea wrote:

> Same issues here and on everything I support. There was some noise about
> being able to “export” from kmail1 then “import” things back into kmail2
> as a workaround. I’m about ready to give that a shot but I’ve seen too
> many reports of PIM issues to feel any desire to deploy 12.1 as things
> stand now.

That “fix” for kmail1-kmail2 conversion was how I finally managed it but it
wasn’t intentional from the start. I’d exported in mbox format from kmail1 a
while ago so as to switch to TB. One note on that is that forwarded mails
need to be in-line and not encapsulated else the encapsulated part is lost
when exported.

Getting TB to accept the mbox format files was a pain, even though that’s
how it stores the data itself! If I recall correctly, I had to copy the mbox
files into the TB folder, start TB, close it down, then copy the files
again, this time replacing the empty copies that TB had created.

Just at the moment, TB is proving almost as big a pain as kmail2. It is very
buggy when reading news - always has been but seems worse lately - and
Lightning calendar has not worked properly since the upgrade(?) from TB7 to
TB8. With TB, the reminders keep crashing whilst with Kontact, the reminders
rarely appear at all. It’s a problem as to which heap of junk I persist
with.


Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 12.1 (64-bit); KDE 4.7.4; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

On 2011-12-18 16:40, Cloddy wrote:
> Getting TB to accept the mbox format files was a pain, even though that’s
> how it stores the data itself! If I recall correctly, I had to copy the mbox
> files into the TB folder, start TB, close it down, then copy the files
> again, this time replacing the empty copies that TB had created.

It is actually very simple. You copy the mbox file, and create another
empty file with extension .msf. Then you start Th.

And I don’t have any problem with news. I’m using it right now to write
this. Version 3.1 in 11.4


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2011-12-18 16:40, Cloddy wrote:
>> Getting TB to accept the mbox format files was a pain, even though that’s
>> how it stores the data itself! If I recall correctly, I had to copy the
>> mbox files into the TB folder, start TB, close it down, then copy the
>> files again, this time replacing the empty copies that TB had created.
>
> It is actually very simple. You copy the mbox file, and create another
> empty file with extension .msf. Then you start Th.

It may be simple if you know how to do it before you start. :wink:

With a lot of files and folders to migrate, as I had, I think my way might
be easier - allowing TB to create the .msf files/folders and just copying
the mbox files again to replace the empty ones. Either way, I don’t intend
to try both systems out and time them! :wink:

>
> And I don’t have any problem with news. I’m using it right now to write
> this. Version 3.1 in 11.4
>

Major problem I have with TB8 is when a server needs you to logon. TB gets
its name and password prompts in a right mess. It seems from the threads on
the Mozilla newsgroup that they’re trying to blame the servers instead of
fixing the problem.

Another irritant is the way it sometimes downloads a whole newsgroup afresh
and marks it all as unread. That’s been a feature(!) since Netscape days.


Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 12.1 (64-bit); KDE 4.7.4; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

On 2011-12-20 11:51, Cloddy wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> It is actually very simple. You copy the mbox file, and create another
>> empty file with extension .msf. Then you start Th.
>
> It may be simple if you know how to do it before you start. :wink:

I discovered it years ago, simply by looking at what Mozilla did. I even
wrote a howto of a kind. O:-)

> With a lot of files and folders to migrate, as I had, I think my way might
> be easier - allowing TB to create the .msf files/folders and just copying
> the mbox files again to replace the empty ones. Either way, I don’t intend
> to try both systems out and time them! :wink:

You can create the indexes empty with the touch command. I had a script
doing that. And if the folder is a directory, you have to create then as
name.sbd plus the empty index.

>> And I don’t have any problem with news. I’m using it right now to write
>> this. Version 3.1 in 11.4
>>
>
> Major problem I have with TB8 is when a server needs you to logon. TB gets
> its name and password prompts in a right mess. It seems from the threads on
> the Mozilla newsgroup that they’re trying to blame the servers instead of
> fixing the problem.

Ah, I see. I use leafnode to download a local copy of the groups, and point
thunderbird to that one. This way thunderbird doesn’t keep its own copy,
and I can use other viewers without downloading again the same groups, for
example, and it works faster.

> Another irritant is the way it sometimes downloads a whole newsgroup afresh
> and marks it all as unread. That’s been a feature(!) since Netscape days.

Wow. It hasn’t happened to me, unless the group is new.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

I have been using Kontact since about 2004 or so and it has been really an awesome suite for managing my life. I am very irritated with Kontact on this upgrade. My last upgrade Kontact was really slow with a number of things, now it is almost completely useless. It is slow to populate the calendar and chews up resources. Kmail is also terrible. Everytime I want to look at a folder of emails (of which I have many), I have to either close Kontact and restart it or wait for it to crash to look at the emails. Would it be possible to use an earlier release of KDEPIM with openSUSE 12.1? It seems like KDE itself is more rock-solid but Kontact is a pre-Alpha release. I am very willing to remove whatever packages are necessary and just install the last release of the KDEPIM suite.

Thoughts? Tips? Suggestions? Is there a backport repository? How can we fix this for 12.2? Who can we send strongly worded emails to? Remember, we need to sell Linux, not irritate people.

Cheers!
-Nathan

Via the Build Service (I think) I came across:

Index of /repositories/home:/Vajsravana/openSUSE_12.1

which contains files such as:

kontact-4.7.11_really_4.4.11.1-6.1.x86_64.rpm

I am trying to get up the courage to re-install 12.1 and replace the default Kontact with the “really 4.4.11…” Kontact.

If anybody has tried this I would be very interested to hear about their experience. Would also be interested in opinions as to whether it would be better to wait for KDE 4.8 to fix the problems with Kontact.

I plan to give that a go this weekend. I am having so many troubles with Kmail2 and the whole KDEPIM suite. I just hope I will be able to migrate my email back to kmail from kmail2.

Cheers!
-Nathan

I am not done reconfiguring my upgrade from kmail2 to kmail1 (Yes I say upgrade because kmail2 is grossly inferior). It looks like I’m going to have to wipe the Akonadi database or something because it is continually having troubles. Preliminary tests have all be excellent so far. I will be so relieved to get rid of kmail2. I really believe that all development should be abandoned on kmail2 and work be done on continuing improvements to kmail. It is astounding that kmail2 would ever be released in its present condition. How can we keep future openSUSE releases from including such a poorly built program? Apparently, I need to be more involved on testing the programs I deem important before the final release is compiled.

On 01/09/2012 07:06 AM, futureboy wrote:
> Apparently, I need
> to be more involved on testing the programs I deem important before the
> final release is compiled.

many need to do that…


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