12.1 --- 3 strikes and you're out.

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Ok, I had such high, high hopes for 12.1. I really did (just search my posts on the subject here in the forums) I installed both RC’s and ran them through their paces, and felt that 12.1 would be good enough to install on release-day. I figured that there would be a few problems here and there, but nothing that would keep me from using 12.1.

Man, was I wrong. I’ve been bitten 3-4 times in the last few days, and I’m casting 12.1 to a VM until they get sorted out. Specifically:

1). Kaffeine crashes every time I try to open a multimedia file (Floating Point Exception)
2). Amarok crashes when I try to open the music cover manager (segfault)
3). PackageKit is crashing every single time I logout of KDE (segfault)

… and, for good measure …

4). NVidia driver installation – no repo, and using the ‘hard’ way KDE locks up on the splash screen. Using nouveau, my system works at a snail’s pace, even with desktop effects turned off.

Those are the ones that I’ve found so far … “so far” being in the last 2 days. Bugs have been opened on the top 3, but until they get resolved, I plan to move off of 12.1 (no, GNOME-3 isn’t an option for me, it just doesn’t fit the way I work). I was hoping to leave Ubuntu 10.04.3 for OS 12.1 … looks like I’ll have to revert back for awhile. And, the top 4 don’t include other strange behaviors, like:

1). Why when installing the NVidia driver, do the fonts suddenly get HUGE in KDE? This doesn’t happen in GNOME or other KDE-based distros. I can fix it in an xorg.conf file, but then if I hook up a second monitor (LCD projector, specifically) then the fonts get REALLY TINY to the point where you can’t read anything on the screen. Again this doesn’t happen on other distros.
2). iPhone / iOS devices don’t show up in amarok, but they do in GTK-based multimedia apps.
3). NetworkManager wants the root password every single time I connect to wireless or vpn. This is new behavior that I don’t understand.
4). Multiple K-entries for add/remove software (apper, YaST, add/remove programs, etc).

… and on and on.

Where is the fit and finish that SuSE is known for?

I’m not leaving the distro, I’m just putting it in a VM for now. Mea Culpa for installing on release day I guess, but I didn’t see these issues when using RC1 and 2, so I figured I was good to go on release day.

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Hi
It is, right-click and then un-check the box to enable for all users.


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Maybe I’m missing something, I don’t see this option anywhere? All I see is “system connection” – which is unchecked.

This is sad because I’m not seeing any similar issues to yours since I deleted my old .kde4 settings. Once new settings were active, multimedia works flawlessly including Kaffeine. During the new setup, Network Manager required root, but not subsequently, and Wallet only appeared the once and I closed without using it. The desktop on 12.1 is the best I have ever used on KDE4.

Before that, System Settings programs crashed and also other apps e.g the wireless connection and NM were broken. Sound was about the only thing that worked. Now all that is working really well. The boot process worked well following the zypper dup from standard 11.4, so KDE settings were the only problem I had so far. :slight_smile:

I’m willing to accept that some of the issues might be self-inflicted … and I’m glad that things are working for you. I’ve gone through a re-install and the problems re-appear for me (so the .kde4 trick wouldn’t apply here).

I’ll try re-downloading 12.1’s DVD ISO and seeing if that solves my problem(s).

Bummer. For me this has been a much more painless affair than I anticipated. Not to say there aren’t bugs, but I can figure them out or work through them. Either way I’m quite happy. For that matter besides the insane degree of polish on KDE, a long standing audio issue is fixed for me. Be sure to file bug reports on every strange thing you encounter.

Are you sure it’s frozen or it’s just the desktop that doesn’t render? Does it play the startup sound? This has been a problem with the combination of KDE + nvidia cards 7xxx and older + nvidia driver 270 and newer (some even make nividia-settings segfault in 64bit systems). I had this problem and after much fruitless tinkering it was solved by going back to driver 260. A workaround was to edit the desktop effects config file and disable composite, so KDE would load with it disabled. And recently in an arch wiki or forum I read that it could be caused by missing dejavu fonts (!). Didn’t try this however.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:36:02 GMT
katanacb <katanacb@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

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>
>Ok, I had such high, high hopes for 12.1. I really did (just search my
>posts on the subject here in the forums) I installed both RC’s and ran
>them through their paces, and felt that 12.1 would be good enough to
>install on release-day. I figured that there would be a few problems
>here and there, but nothing that would keep me from using 12.1.
>
>Man, was I wrong. I’ve been bitten 3-4 times in the last few days, and
>I’m casting 12.1 to a VM until they get sorted out. Specifically:
>
>1). Kaffeine crashes every time I try to open a multimedia file
>(Floating Point Exception)
>2). Amarok crashes when I try to open the music cover manager
>(segfault)
>3). PackageKit is crashing every single time I logout of KDE
>(segfault)
>
>. and, for good measure …
>
>4). NVidia driver installation – no repo, and using the ‘hard’ way
>KDE locks up on the splash screen. Using nouveau, my system works at a
>snail’s pace, even with desktop effects turned off.
>
>Those are the ones that I’ve found so far … “so far” being in the last
>2 days. Bugs have been opened on the top 3, but until they get
>resolved, I plan to move off of 12.1 (no, GNOME-3 isn’t an option for
>me, it just doesn’t fit the way I work). I was hoping to leave Ubuntu
>10.04.3 for OS 12.1 … looks like I’ll have to revert back for
>awhile. And, the top 4 don’t include other strange behaviors, like:
>
>1). Why when installing the NVidia driver, do the fonts suddenly get
>HUGE in KDE? This doesn’t happen in GNOME or other KDE-based distros.
>I can fix it in an xorg.conf file, but then if I hook up a second
>monitor (LCD projector, specifically) then the fonts get REALLY TINY to
>the point where you can’t read anything on the screen. Again this
>doesn’t happen on other distros.
>2). iPhone / iOS devices don’t show up in amarok, but they do in
>GTK-based multimedia apps.
>3). NetworkManager wants the root password every single time I connect
>to wireless or vpn. This is new behavior that I don’t understand.
>4). Multiple K-entries for add/remove software (apper, YaST,
>add/remove programs, etc).
>
>… and on and on.
>
>Where is the fit and finish that SuSE is known for?
>
>I’m not leaving the distro, I’m just putting it in a VM for now. Mea
>Culpa for installing on release day I guess, but I didn’t see these
>issues when using RC1 and 2, so I figured I was good to go on release
>day.
>
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>

Honestly, i think you should just either update the version or just
reinstall kde new.
I remember that by carrying over the nepomuk database the system did
not work for me. Since then i just reinstall everything and only copy
whatever i have on app specific folders like clawsmail.

NVidia drivers were never done at the release if i remember. So i did
not care much about it, but there is a how to in the how to section
which helped me a lot.


Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
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On 11/18/2011 08:36 PM, katanacb wrote:
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> I’m willing to accept that some of the issues might be self-inflicted

so, tell us how you arrived at 12.1!

that is, did you do a fresh format all linux partitions (after saving
off data etc to a safe location, of course) and do a complete install?

or, did you do some form of “upgrade” from some previously existing
system (either 11.4, or i see you tried some RCs, or maybe something
else)? maybe zypper something?

or, did you ‘only’ keep your home (and all of its config files–any of
those held over from non-openSUSE distros?) and format the system
directory…

or what??


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Why take out all your linux partitions? If I did that (no chance!) I would lose all my systems. :slight_smile:

On 11/19/2011 01:36 PM, consused wrote:
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> Why take out all your linux partitions? If I did that (no chance!) I
> would lose all my systems. :slight_smile:

no, you would take out everything that should not be on the new system
being installed!


DD
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But you said all linux partitions! Doesn’t make sense in a multiboot situation.

On 11/19/2011 03:36 PM, consused wrote:
> But you said all linux partitions! Doesn’t make sense in a multiboot
> situation.

in which post in this thread did you learn the OP (katanacb) was
multibooting linux distros on his ‘Laptop2’?


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Oh I see, you assumed that OP wasn’t multibooting. Hmm, even though OP mentions Ubuntu still being around. :slight_smile:

I have now done 3 new installs of 12.1
2 x kde (32 and 64 bit)
1 x gnome (64 bit)

All using a DVD

All 3 are absolutely fine. I expect a few issues but so far everything is just fab.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:23:29 GMT
DenverD <DenverD@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>On 11/19/2011 01:36 PM, consused wrote:
>>
>> Why take out all your linux partitions? If I did that (no chance!) I
>> would lose all my systems. :slight_smile:
>
>no, you would take out everything that should not be on the new
>system being installed!
>

Gee, that sounds like a debate.
Do it like me and just keep your app folder from home. The rest you
toss and reformat. Thats what i do.
And import all previous harddrive settings at the install.

But i never upgraded over the previous system. So i am not sure how
well that works.


Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using KDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
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That’s not a good idea. Some config files outside /home are worth preserving, like nfs and samba shares in /etc, cups customizations in /usr/local/share/cups/whatever, etc. I’d keep home AND save a copy of these config files so I could copy them back for future reference. And I’m not even going into stuff in /var for servers, databases and such.

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> JoergJaeger;2406429 Wrote:
> > Do it like me and just keep your app folder from home. The rest you
> > toss and reformat. Thats what i do.
>
> That’s not a good idea. Some config files outside /home are worth
> preserving, like nfs and samba shares in /etc, cups customizations in
> /usr/local/share/cups/whatever, etc. I’d keep home AND save a copy of
> these config files so I could copy them back for future reference. And
> I’m not even going into stuff in /var for servers, databases and such.
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The only thing i can say in to my defense is, that i don’t use any of
this and therefore its safe for me to start off blank. But it does make
sense if you have all these other data’s that may be important.
The only thing i recall was the database from nepomuk which was either
incompatible or had an error and filled the harddrive with a newer kde
version.

Btw. wouldn’t be there a backup program that can save all these files
and write them back later on?


Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using KDE on 12.1 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
Need help? Call 207.252.3.96 (really)

Hi
Check the Release Notes for changes in the cups config locations, this
version is not backwards compatible.


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
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Thanks for the tip, malcomlewis. Anyway I quoted from memory and got it wrong, my custom PPDs reside in /usr/share/cups/model in oS 11.4.