I don’t think that will help, at least not help without a lot of extra work. Please note this comment of mine from above:
The Thinkwiki is often a good source of information on graphic’s compatibility with laptop’s as they keep it reasonably up to date. Searching on the Arrandale and the Integrated Graphics that come with it, I get this hit: Intel HD Graphics - ThinkWiki which notes:
[QUOTE]Chipset: Arrandale (GMCH Ironlake)
* PCI ID: 8086:0046
* PCI-E
… snipped … Linux support
A very recent Linux distribution **with kernel 2.6.33 and Intel Xorg driver 2.11 **or newer is recommended.
Note that XVideo (Xv) playback at certain frame sizes does not work properly unless you have at least version 2.12 of the Intel Xorg driver.[/QUOTE]OpenSUSE-11.2 only has the 2.9 version of the Intel Xorg driver and the 2.6.31 kernel.
What they would have to do, if they installed 11.2, is update the kernel to a newer kernel (such as 2.6.33) BEFORE the kernel bug, and also update the Intel driver to 2.11 or 2.12. Thats not so easy to do.
On 2010-10-28 18:06, oldcpu wrote:
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> robin_listas;2245198 Wrote:
>>> A very recent Linux distribution *with kernel 2.6.33 and Intel Xorg
>>> driver 2.11 *or newer is recommended.> >
Then, this is not the common problem with Intel video, that broke after 11.2 was released. My laptop
works well with 11.2 but not 11.3 - it is a GM45 chipset
> Its an unfortunate bug.
Indeed.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
This bug should be a huge deal - the Arrandale was released several months ago so none of the laptops that use Intel graphics work with any of the Linux flavors. One of the reasons I got a laptop with Intel integrated instead of Nvidia graphics is to have less problems with Linux - not the case apparently.
btw, I tried to install CentOS and Ubuntu - they do not work either.
No, I do not want to get into lengthy and laborous fixes. Do you know if there is an easy fix has been released?
Linux survives through the contributions of users, either via developing code, or testing, or documentation or support. If YOU want to try have any fix introduced sooner, than you can track the URL I noted, and then when the patche’s being proposed appear to be at a reasonable state, you can then provide input to the appropriate openSUSE bug report so as to influence the openSUSE packager to include the patch. If no one does that (because they want someone else to do it for them) then that increases the odds that any fix will take longer to be implemented in openSUSE.
I got a laptop with Intel integrated instead of Nvidia graphics is to have less problems with Linux - not the case apparently.
Good research and asking in a forum like this before purchase is ideal. Actually nVidia would almost certainly be a better choice. Though having said that, both my Laptops are Intel. But I knew they would work before hand. Nevertheless, they both had their HD’s wiped to remove all the M$ crud.
If you are serious about the move, do what I did years ago and dump the stuff that doesn’t work and buy what does.
Just in case you have some misunderstanding here:
Without question, on all my machines, Linux works better, detects hardware better and installs way quicker than windows.
I have a Gateway NV79, with an Intel i5-430 (one of the “Arrandale” family). The Intel GMA HD is “onboard”, and us0aully referred to as “Ironlake”. There have been a number of problems with the Ironlake and Linux, and you can follow the history through Intel bugs # 28070 (supposedly now fixed as of 2010Q3 releases), and #29278 (sadly, on the “to do” list) (see Intel Linux Graphics: 2010Q3.
Although the problem title specifically references the Dell e6510, the actual problem(s) are with the Ironlake onboard, specifically the “eDP” facility. I have the same hardware and same problems, and have found the following to work :
Windows 7 (yes, we did not need to hear that … )
Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS (clean install, not upgrade) (Kernel 2.6.32.25)
LinuxMint 9 (“Isadora”) (Kernel 2.6.32.21; also 2.6.32.25)
openSUSE 11.3 liveCD (the running version) (Gnome) (2.6.34-12)
openSUSE 11.4 milstone liveCD (the running version) (2.6.36-18)
openSUSE 11.3 and 11.4 milestones will install from the liveCDs, though the result of the install will NOT boot without the nomodeset option. The openSUSE DVD fails during the install, unless the nomodeset option is used.
Fedora 13 will fail during install, but can be installed and run by interrupting the install countdown, and selecting “basic video”.
The following do NOT boot:
Fedora 14 (this was a surprise!) This failed even with “compatibility”.
LinuxMint 10 (“Julia”), although I have only just started testing that.
Untested are Ubuntu 9.10 (“Karmic”) and openSUSE 11.2. I have these on other PCs. Any and all other distros have not been tested, and I am open to test any suggestions.
On 2010-11-13 00:36, oldcpu wrote:
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> const451;2251857 Wrote:
>> No, I do not want to get into lengthy and laborous fixes. Do you know if
>> there is an easy fix has been released?
>>
> In short - NO.
>
> You can track this your self here:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29278
It is a very long report.
>
> Linux survives through the contributions of users, either via
> developing code, or testing, or documentation or support.
Supposedly, Intel itself develops the linux side of the driver. However,
every time I boot my laptop in W7 (once a month) I see a new Intel driver
update - none on the Linux side.
> If YOU want to
> try have any fix introduced sooner, than you can track the URL I noted,
> and then when the patche’s being proposed appear to be at a reasonable
> state, you can then provide input to the appropriate openSUSE bug report
> so as to influence the openSUSE packager to include the patch. If no
> one does that (because they want someone else to do it for them) then
> that increases the odds that any fix will take longer to be implemented
> in openSUSE.
It would be easier if the openSUSE mantainer tracks this and tell us (via
an appropriate bugzilla to which we add ourselves) when to try a new driver.
I could do this, but the bugzillas I entered on this problem get no
response in months :-/
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
My suggestion is to find a friend who lives close and who (in addition to being a good and helpful friend) uses Linux, and obtain their recommendation and support for Linux. Hopefully they will recommend a Linux version that they are familiar with, and they will provide the essential Linux support that a new user needs when they are first starting.
If it was me who was the friend, I would recommend the new Linux user check with a forum like ours prior to purchasing ANY hardware for their planned Linux PC.
I can actually still return my E6510 and order one with Nvidia… I have one week to decide.
It’s unfortunate, I like this lappy, I like it with Intel GMA HD, it has enough power for my graphic needs, it saves on battery life, it makes my lappy quiet b/c it does not spin the fans at full speed, it does not heat up.
I have a Sony laptop with GeForce 330m and Ubuntu Lucid (I am going to get rid of Sony), I have to install graphics drivers from Nvidia website on it and that’s alright but every other time I download updates for Ubuntu it wipes out my Nvidia drivers and I have to reinstall those again - quite frustrating. Naturally, my concern is if I buy a Dell with Nvidia (it comes with N3100M) I am going to have the same story. I use my laptop for grad school work and I need it to be stable so every time I boot I would like to find it in the same state I shut it down.
No, I do not have friends with Linux, I have a gf with Apple : )
Do you suggest I return it or wait for the fix? Is there any rough estimate how long will take them to fix this bug?
BTW: Re Ubuntu and nVidia
What you describe will only happen if you are installing the driver manually. If you install the driver from the Hardware Drivers offered in the system, you should be good.
Yeah, I do not really have time for lenghty experiments… grad school does not leave me much time for sleep already… I just want it to work : )
On Sony with Nvidia & Ubuntu Lucid, the driver that’s listed in Hardware Drivers does not support my 1080p resolution hence I have to install it manually.
A new hope: I tried CentOS 5.4 live cd so it works correctly: it boots into 1080p and lists “Arrandale Intel graphics card”.
I would be surprised of 11.2 liveCD works. From what I read, the Arrandale requires at least a 2.6.33 kernel and Intel 2.11 or newer driver. 11.2 comes with the 2.6.31 kernel (ie too old) and with the 2.9 Intel graphic driver (ie too old).
I know you said that before I was just hoping it might work b/c previous version of CentOS 5.4 live cd worked just fine booting into the correct 1080p resolution, not sure what version of kernel on CentOS 5.4.
On 2010-11-15 23:06, oldcpu wrote:
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> const451;2252907 Wrote:
>> OpenSUSE 11.2 live cd - blank screen : (I would be surprised of 11.2 liveCD works. From what I read, the
> Arrandale requires at least a 2.6.33 kernel and Intel 2.11 or newer
> driver. 11.2 comes with the 2.6.31 kernel (ie too old) and with the 2.9
> Intel graphic driver (ie too old).
Ah, Arrandale… I don’t have that one, mine is a GM45.
Then the Arrandale has never worked? It must have, on some openSUSE
release. 11.1, then? Older?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
In the strict definition, “… on some openSUSE release”, my experience is that no released version will boot or run on the Arrandale/Ironlake platform. I have only tested 11.2, 11.3 and 11.4 M1, 2 and now M3.
As I have posted elsewhere, the 11.3 and 11.4 liveCDs DO boot correctly, Do run correctly (from the CD) and the install from the desktop install icon does complete. The boot of the installed openSUSE fails, save for using nomodeset or failsafe boot. My experience has been that straight install from the liveCD boot menu has not met with success. Further, installing kernels up to and including 2.6.36-93.1 (94.1 just out) have NO effect on this problem.
As a point of background, the “Arrandale” is the “mobile” i-series, i3-nnnM and i5-nnnM. I am curious if anyone has a “Clarkdale” (i3-nnn/i5-nnn) with the Ironlake set running openSUSE. The impact of this problem may be lost on some readers, as several of the problems, such as #28070 and #29278, make reference to the Dell e6510. The Dell e6510 is not the only build that experiences this problem (s).
IMHO this is a definite SHOW STOPPER for any users with the Arrandale. That chipset is proving to be very popular and hence many users will be impacted. The problem here is upstream, and other than monitor upstream I can’t see much that the openSUSE distribution can do.