this article is basically FUD . I cant beleive it made the linux-magfactory are you kidding me ?. On a critical 11.1 system with encrypted HDD’s basically left it broken. also the fact that zypper leaves everything in /var and if you want to change that before hand then have fun. Web servers or database servers, etc etc wher /var is usually smaller because of polling & perfomrance , forget it. For a desktop this might fly but for real critical servers this is basically ****.
my 2 cents and an irate customer who followed the article , now I have to fix it no fun.
Sorry to hear that you had problems with this upgrade - if you have specific questions, those would be better suited to forums like the install/boot/login forum.
Heremod wrote:
> ‘openSUSE Lizards » Updating in Place From openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2’
> (http://tinyurl.com/yewkyft)
>
> this article is basically FUD . I cant beleive it made the linux-mag.
> On a critical 11.1 system with encrypted HDD’s basically left it broken.
> also the fact that zypper leaves everything in /var and if you want to
> change that before hand then have fun. Web servers or database servers,
> etc etc wher /var is usually smaller because of polling & perfomrance ,
> forget it. For a desktop this might fly but for real critical servers
> this is basically ****.
are you for real? just rebuild from your pre-install, complete backup
image…i’m sure you have multiple copies for all your “real critical
servers”
are you really running openSUSE on a “critical” system…on web
servers and database servers…on “real critical servers”??
HELLO! where in this name do you see anything that would make you
wanna run “real critical servers” on openSUSE?
or maybe you have this community confused with SUSE Linux Enterprise
Server, available from and commercially supported by Novell…
yes, we SMASH BUGS here in VERY short life span (18 months, see http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap) free releases of openSUSE and every
once in a while the good folks at Novell take a snapshot of where we
are and spiffy it up to a higher level of good, and sell/support it
for five or more years…
> my 2 cents and an irate customer who followed the article , now I have
> to fix it no fun.
no customer should be treated that way…you should DEMAND every cent
of your money back…
oh, by the way: didn’t this line in that article give you even a
little hint: “After running my laptop for some time already on
openSUSE Factory, I decided to update my workstation”?
see i noticed right away that s/he didn’t mention any of these terms:
critical system
real critical servers
web servers
database servers
The ‘article’ is completely correct as far it comes to upgrading a normal box.
You and your customer are both total handless and clueless, claiming to do a on-the-fly-upgrade on a “mission critical server” without having any way to rollback? Grats.
Go back to Windows, please, or at least Ubuntu. Same thing essentially.
thanks for the nice accusation, I didnt update it , one of my customers did , they called me in the middle of the night to come in and fix it . And actually my preference is BSD but uh , ok whatever bring on the wintendo ubunto apt-get brain flame, seriously.
I happen to make my living off sysadmins who make such retarded mistakes. Which uh I wouldn’t have recommended this option in the first place . It appears zypper screwed up since they reconfigured it and because of some factory repo dependancy issues it broke leaving a half 11.1 half 11.2 box. Was a fun night though trying to fix it , and a great experience, and Ill be happy receiving the bill I sent them.
imho such things/article postings should be used with caution before publishing to major community sites before it comes back to the opensuse community, but hey who am I to say anything.
Just for the record I set up a box with luks partitions followed the article but left zypper normal and used the official repos not factory and it did work so while not completely FUD I think it is safe to say can’t be used widely on all configs but any verteran would know this I guess, I just cringed when I read the factory part.
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:46:02 +0000, Heremod wrote:
> Chrysantine;2080074 Wrote:
>> The ‘article’ is completely correct as far it comes to upgrading a
>> normal box.
>>
>>
>> You and your customer are both total handless and clueless, claiming to
>> do a on-the-fly-upgrade on a “mission critical server” without having
>> any way to rollback? Grats.
>>
>> Go back to Windows, please, or at least Ubuntu. Same thing essentially.
>
> thanks for the nice accusation, I didnt update it , one of my customers
> did , they called me in the middle of the night to come in and fix it .
> And actually my preference is BSD but uh , ok whatever bring on the
> wintendo ubunto apt-get brain flame, seriously.
Everyone needs to settle down here - Chrysantine, you’ve been warned
before about getting personal with other users in the forum. Personal
attacks are a violation of these forums’ terms and conditions of use.
Continuing to engage in that behaviour will result in further action
being taken.
Heremod, when you see something like this that the mods have missed, just
report it and let us deal with it.
openSUSE Lizards is a blog site as the About link states and not official documentation. I think readers of it should have the brains to distinguish between blogs that recount personal experiences and more authoritative HOWTOs. The article clearly stated a factory version and also on a desktop.
Let’s face it, openSUSE hasn’t got the years of experience that apt-get dist-upgrade does, and even apt-get dist-upgrade sometimes leaves some rough edges that need sanding down; I’ve experienced it. So I’d be wary of online upgrades and test it on a non-production box first. Heck, I’m even wary of upgrades using optical media.
If your customers are so retarded as to play with fire without a clue, then you richly deserve your fees. Well done. Can you send some of those clueless customers to me?
> If your customers are so retarded as to play with fire without a clue,
> then you richly deserve your fees. Well done. Can you send some of those
> clueless customers to me?
I’m quite sure apt-get is not immune - I’m using 11.2 now because my Debian upgrade lenny to Testing broke the xserver. Since I had to fall back to reinstall anyway, figured I’d move on. I’m not that happy with some aspects of Debian anyway (their forums are vicious compared to the openSUSE forums), and I kept running into software walls (wanting to install non-repo stuff).
Just reinforces what I’ve heard more than once - a fresh install usually works better than an upgrade.
FUD is what you are doing, Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt, without real basis of facts, because then your case doesnt’ stand up.
I cant beleive it made the linux-magfactory are you kidding me ?. On a critical 11.1 system with encrypted HDD’s basically left it broken.
Fire the clueless incompetents who don’t do their homework!
also the fact that zypper leaves everything in /var and if you want to change that before hand then have fun. Web servers or database servers, etc etc wher /var is usually smaller because of polling & perfomrance , forget it. For a desktop this might fly but for real critical servers this is basically ****.
my 2 cents and an irate customer who followed the article , now I have to fix it no fun.
Oh man, why don’t you discover bind mounts, and all the other flexible ways to manage disk space better.#
There’s no rule that /var/cache & /var/spool have to be in /var filesystem you know.
no fun.
