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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    Quote Originally Posted by ozotto View Post
    Code:
    daw-suse@192-168-1-105:~> inxi -Aa 
    Audio:     Device-1: AMD Ellesmere HDMI Audio [Radeon RX 470/480 / 570/580/590] vendor: ASRock driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
               bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aaf0 class-ID: 0403 
               Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Renoir Radeon High Definition Audio vendor: ASUSTeK 
               driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 0b:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:1637 class-ID: 0403 
               Device-3: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 17h/19h HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
               bus-ID: 0b:00.6 chip-ID: 1022:15e3 class-ID: 0403 
               Device-4: BEHRINGER X18/XR18 type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio bus-ID: 7-1:3 chip-ID: 1397:00d4 class-ID: fe01 
               serial: 29CC2731 
               Device-5: BEHRINGER X-USB type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio bus-ID: 7-2:4 chip-ID: 1397:00d3 class-ID: fe01 
               serial: 0FCDEE71 
               Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.14.21-150400.24.18-default running: yes 
               Sound Server-2: JACK v: 1.9.12 running: no 
               Sound Server-3: PulseAudio v: 15.0 running: yes 
               Sound Server-4: PipeWire v: 0.3.49 running: yes 
    daw-suse@192-168-1-105:~> 
    

    just wonder , why is pipewire running ?
    That is normal (unless you take explicit steps to choose otherwise). Let's get a better handle on what you have installed and what is active here...

    As regular user run
    Code:
    zypper se -si pipe pulse
    Code:
    systemctl --user list-units|egrep "pipe|pulse"
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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    Code:
    daw-suse@192-168-1-105:~> zypper se -si pipe pulse 
    Loading repository data... 
    Reading installed packages... 
    
    S  | Name                        | Type    | Version            | Arch   | Repository 
    ---+-----------------------------+---------+--------------------+--------+------------------ 
    i+ | alsa-plugins-pulse          | package | 1.2.6-150400.1.10  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i  | alsa-plugins-pulse-32bit    | package | 1.2.6-150400.1.10  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | libpipeline1                | package | 1.4.1-1.27         | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | libpipewire-0_3-0           | package | 0.3.49-150400.1.5  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | libpulse-mainloop-glib0     | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | libpulse0                   | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i  | libpulse0-32bit             | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | libxine2-pulse              | package | 1.2.12-pm154.172.3 | x86_64 | (System Packages) 
    i+ | mpg123-pulse                | package | 1.26.4-1.15        | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | piper                       | package | 0.6-bp154.1.51     | noarch | Main Repository 
    i+ | pipewire                    | package | 0.3.49-150400.1.5  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pipewire-lang               | package | 0.3.49-150400.1.5  | noarch | Main Repository 
    i+ | pipewire-modules-0_3        | package | 0.3.49-150400.1.5  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pipewire-spa-plugins-0_2    | package | 0.3.49-150400.1.5  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pipewire-spa-tools          | package | 0.3.49-150400.1.5  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pipewire-tools              | package | 0.3.49-150400.1.5  | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio                  | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-bash-completion  | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-lang             | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | noarch | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-module-bluetooth | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-module-gsettings | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-module-jack      | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-module-x11       | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-module-zeroconf  | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-setup            | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | pulseaudio-utils            | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i  | pulseaudio-utils-32bit      | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | x86_64 | Main Repository 
    i+ | system-user-pulse           | package | 15.0-150400.2.10   | noarch | Main Repository 
    
        Note: For an extended search including not yet activated remote resources please use 'zypper 
        search-packages'. 
    
    
    
    
    
    Code:
    daw-suse@192-168-1-105:~> systemctl --user list-units|egrep "pipe|pulse" 
      pulseaudio.service                                                                                                                loaded  active running   Sound Service 
      pipewire.socket                                                                                                                   loaded  active listening PipeWire Multimedia System Socket 
      pulseaudio.socket                                                                                                                 loaded  active running   Sound System 
    daw-suse@192-168-1-105:~> 
    

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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    Not sure if having pulseaudio and pipewire active concurrently will cause issues, but I suggest switching to pipewire exclusively. Installing 'pipewire-pulseaudio' (compatibility library) will cause pulseaudio to be removed.

    Code:
    sudo zypper install pipewire-pulseaudio pipewire-alsa
    Code:
    systemctl --user enable --now pipewire-pulse.{service,socket}
    Code:
    systemctl --user enable --now pipewire.{service,socket}
    You can also install 'pipewire-alsa' and 'pipewire-jack' if desired. More info here...

    https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSEipewire
    https://dev.to/drunckj/switching-to-...use-guide-1cop
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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    @ozotto:

    On starting, Rosegarden will attempt to use JACK.
    • If you haven't got JACK setup and, wish to hear other Audio stream while using Rosegarden, start Timidity as an ALSA sequencer client from a Konsole window before starting Rosegarden.

    Code:
     > timidity -iA
    Reference, here – <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rosegarden>.
    • And, I've check that, it works as expected with a Midi file produced by Lilypond – and,
    • Simultaneously playing an MP3 file via Audacious …

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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    @ozotto:

    On starting, Rosegarden will attempt to use JACK.
    • If you haven't got JACK setup and, wish to hear other Audio stream while using Rosegarden, start Timidity as an ALSA sequencer client from a Konsole window before starting Rosegarden.
    Hopefully, switching to pipewire and using pipewire-libjack (compatibility library) will be sufficient here?
    Last edited by deano_ferrari; 16-Sep-2022 at 02:50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    Not sure if having pulseaudio and pipewire active concurrently will cause issues, but I suggest switching to pipewire exclusively.
    Yes, they do have co-existence issues –
    Code:
     # LANG=C zypper install pipewire-alsa pipewire-pulseaudio pipewire-libjack-0_3 gstreamer-plugin-pipewire
    Loading repository data...
    Reading installed packages...
    Resolving package dependencies...
    2 Problems:
    Problem: the to be installed pipewire-libjack-0_3-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 conflicts with 'libjackserver0' provided by the installed libjackserver0-1.9.12-1.33.x86_64
    Problem: the installed pulseaudio-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 conflicts with 'pulseaudio-daemon' provided by the to be installed pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64
    
    Problem: the to be installed pipewire-libjack-0_3-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 conflicts with 'libjackserver0' provided by the installed libjackserver0-1.9.12-1.33.x86_64
     Solution 1: Following actions will be done:
      deinstallation of libjackserver0-1.9.12-1.33.x86_64
      deinstallation of libjacknet0-1.9.12-1.33.x86_64
      deinstallation of libjack0-1.9.12-1.33.x86_64
      deinstallation of jack-1.9.12-1.33.x86_64
     Solution 2: do not install pipewire-libjack-0_3-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64
    
    Choose from above solutions by number or skip, retry or cancel [1/2/s/r/c/d/?] (c): 1
    
    Problem: the installed pulseaudio-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 conflicts with 'pulseaudio-daemon' provided by the to be installed pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64
     Solution 1: Following actions will be done:
      deinstallation of pulseaudio-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64
      deinstallation of pulseaudio-lang-15.0-150400.2.10.noarch
      deinstallation of pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64
      deinstallation of pulseaudio-module-gsettings-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64
      deinstallation of pulseaudio-module-x11-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64
      deinstallation of pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64
      install alsa-plugins-pulse-1.2.7.1-lp154.166.26.x86_64 from vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/multimedia
        replacing alsa-plugins-pulse-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 from vendor SUSE LLC <https://www.suse.com/>
      deinstallation of paprefs-1.1-bp154.1.62.x86_64
      deinstallation of paprefs-lang-1.1-bp154.1.62.noarch
     Solution 2: do not install pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64
    
    Choose from above solutions by number or skip, retry or cancel [1/2/s/r/c/d/?] (c): c
     #
    Please be aware that, PipeWire is a GNOME project –
    • Rosegarden uses Qt – therefore KDE Plasma …

    Code:
    Requires       : [55]
        /bin/sh
        libpthread.so.0()(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6()(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3)(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4)(64bit)
        libm.so.6()(64bit)
        libgcc_s.so.1()(64bit)
        libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.0)(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.21)(64bit)
        libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.29)(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.9)(64bit)
        libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.14)(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.11)(64bit)
        libQt5Core.so.5()(64bit)
        libQt5Core.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit)
        libdl.so.2()(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.20)(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.15)(64bit)
        libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit)
        libQt5Gui.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit)
        libz.so.1()(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3.8)(64bit)
        libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
        libQt5Widgets.so.5()(64bit)
        libQt5Widgets.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit)
        libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
        /bin/bash
        /usr/bin/python3
        libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.27)(64bit)
        libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2)(64bit)
        /usr/bin/perl
        libQt5Network.so.5()(64bit)
        libQt5Core.so.5(Qt_5.15)(64bit)
        libQt5Network.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit)
        libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
        libasound.so.2()(64bit)
        libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9)(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3.1)(64bit)
        libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.5)(64bit)
        libsndfile.so.1()(64bit)
        libsndfile.so.1(libsndfile.so.1.0)(64bit)
        libjack.so.0()(64bit)
        libfftw3f.so.3()(64bit)
        /usr/bin/python
        libsamplerate.so.0()(64bit)
        libsamplerate.so.0(libsamplerate.so.0.0)(64bit)
        ladspa
        liblo.so.7()(64bit)
        liblirc_client.so.0()(64bit)
        /usr/bin/ruby
        dssi
        liblrdf.so.2()(64bit)
        ladspa-swh-plugins
        xsynth-dssi
        lilypond-fonts-common >= 2.20
    ALSA, JACK and Lilypond also seem to be Rosegarden requirements …
    • Therefore, if PipeWire requires that, the Pulse and JACK libraries be removed – with a possible knock-on for the ALSA libraries, the Rosegarden dependencies will break …

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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    Yes, they do have co-existence issues –
    No, I think you misunderstood my question - of course the addition of pipewire-pulseaudio will remove pulseaudio itself. Likewise pipwire-libjack is a compatibility library designed for JACK support in a pipewire environment. My question was specifically about the pulseudio and pipewire servers running concurrently.

    Please be aware that, PipeWire is a GNOME project –
    • Rosegarden uses Qt – therefore KDE Plasma …

    [CODE]
    That in itself shouldn't preclude compatibility though. I've been using pipewire (and its compatibility libraries) without issue for months in a KDE desktop environment, however I don't have Rosegarden in my software suite, and my audio requirements are modest.

    ALSA, JACK and Lilypond also seem to be Rosegarden requirements …
    • Therefore, if PipeWire requires that, the Pulse and JACK libraries be removed – with a possible knock-on for the ALSA libraries, the Rosegarden dependencies will break …
    Yes, but my question was whether pipewire-alsa and pipewire-libjack was sufficient here to provide a working audio environment. The openSUSE Pipewire Wiki page mentions...

    PipeWire is a system that works on top of the ALSA kernel infrastructure like PulseAudio or JACK. The daemon also offers compatibility layers for PulseAudio and JACK-based applications.
    I have heard some applications may have to be force installed due to reasons outlined here...

    https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Pip..._compatibility

    Warning: These compatibility packages are in conflict with PulseAudio and JACK, all the packages that have these two as dependencies can be forcefully installed on the system and they will just work but it can create dependencies issues during updates or on the long run if dependencies change
    Last edited by deano_ferrari; 16-Sep-2022 at 02:51.
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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    IMHO for professional use it is better to stay with ALSA and JACK, neither PulseAudio, nor Pipewire.

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    Default Re: Rosegarden Crash immediately

    Quote Originally Posted by Svyatko View Post
    IMHO for professional use it is better to stay with ALSA and JACK, neither PulseAudio, nor Pipewire.
    For the case of Rosegarden, I agree.
    • Despite having removed it and everything else that got installed when I installed it …

    I removed it because, I don't have any MIDI devices – keyboards, whatever – and, I don't compose music.
    • I do however, indulge in musical engraving with Lilypond – meaning that, Timidity is sufficient for the initial audible proofing of the notation – the ultimate proofing instance is our choir's conductor on the keyboard …

    For me, Rosegarden is a wonderful tool for composition with MIDI devices and, the initial, automated, production of the resulting notation.
    • I can see that, it can produce an initial musical score for the MIDI devices but, adding Vocal parts to the score is something else – and that's where, IMHO, Lilypond shines (also for, Orchestral works) …

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