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    Default Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Hi!

    I have here some plain vanillaTW KDE installs, typically a large zypper dup is updating about 2300 packages, but on one install (on a USB-stick) the same update cylce downloads and updates about 3900 packages.

    What is the the difference between these installs and how to find out? Really no special things installs on this USB-stick iirc...
    Kind regards

    raspu

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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    You have access to both installations so you should be able to compare them. Different patterns installed? Different desktop environments installed? ....

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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Quote Originally Posted by suse_rasputin View Post
    Hi!

    I have here some plain vanillaTW KDE installs, typically a large zypper dup is updating about 2300 packages, but on one install (on a USB-stick) the same update cylce downloads and updates about 3900 packages.

    What is the the difference between these installs and how to find out? Really no special things installs on this USB-stick iirc...
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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Run on both systems:

    Code:
    zypper pa -i | grep ^i+ | sort
    Save to a file and compare:

    Code:
    diff -u log1 log2
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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Quote Originally Posted by awerlang View Post
    Run on both systems:

    Code:
    zypper pa -i | grep ^i+ | sort
    Save to a file and compare:

    Code:
    diff -u log1 log2
    If you use:
    Code:
    zypper search -i
    
    instead of
    
    zypper packges -i
    you'll get the patterns that are installed as well as packages.

    Gene

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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene_S View Post
    If you use:
    Code:
    zypper search -i
    
    instead of
    
    zypper packges -i
    you'll get the patterns that are installed as well as packages.

    Gene
    Patterns are packages too so they appear in both listings. The package command list packages, some of which are pattern as the package name indicates. While the search command list the same then duplicate the pattern names in the listing stripping the pattern prefix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awerlang View Post
    Patterns are packages too so they appear in both listings.
    Nope:
    Code:
    erlangen:~ # zypper if yast2_basis 
    Loading repository data... 
    Reading installed packages... 
    
    
    package 'yast2_basis' not found. 
    
    Information for pattern yast2_basis: 
    ------------------------------------ 
    Repository      : Haupt-Repository (OSS) 
    Name            : yast2_basis 
    Version         : 20220411-1.2 
    Arch            : x86_64 
    Vendor          : openSUSE 
    Installed       : Yes 
    Visible to User : Yes 
    Summary         : YaST Base Utilities 
    Description     :  
        YaST tools for basic system administration. 
    Contents        :  
        S  | Name                      | Type    | Dependency 
        ---+---------------------------+---------+------------ 
        i  | libyui-ncurses-pkg16      | package | Required 
        i+ | patterns-yast-yast2_basis | package | Required 
        i  | yast2                     | package | Required 
        i  | yast2-alternatives        | package | Required 
        i  | yast2-firewall            | package | Required 
        i  | yast2-packager            | package | Required 
        i  | yast2-theme               | package | Required 
        i  | yast2-metapackage-handler | package | Recommended 
        i  | yast2-vm                  | package | Recommended 
    
    erlangen:~ #
    
    
    Note the "Visible to User" flag.
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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Karl disagreeing with facts, that's a new one.

    Code:
    $ zypper se yast2_basis
    Loading repository data...
    Reading installed packages...
    
    S  | Name                      | Summary             | Type
    ---+---------------------------+---------------------+--------
       | patterns-yast-yast2_basis | YaST Base Utilities | package
     l | yast2_basis               | YaST Base Utilities | pattern
    
    $ zypper pa | grep yast2_basis
       | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | x86_64
       | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | i586
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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Quote Originally Posted by awerlang View Post
    Karl disagreeing with facts, that's a new one.

    Code:
    $ zypper se yast2_basis
    Loading repository data...
    Reading installed packages...
    
    S  | Name                      | Summary             | Type
    ---+---------------------------+---------------------+--------
       | patterns-yast-yast2_basis | YaST Base Utilities | package
     l | yast2_basis               | YaST Base Utilities | pattern
    
    $ zypper pa | grep yast2_basis
       | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | x86_64
       | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | i586
    Nope. These are packages, their name starting with string 'pattern':
    Code:
    erlangen:~ # zypper if patterns-yast-yast2_basis 
    Loading repository data... 
    Reading installed packages... 
    
    
    Information for package patterns-yast-yast2_basis: 
    -------------------------------------------------- 
    Repository     : Haupt-Repository (OSS) 
    Name           : patterns-yast-yast2_basis 
    Version        : 20220411-1.2 
    Arch           : x86_64 
    Vendor         : openSUSE 
    Installed Size : 57 B 
    Installed      : Yes 
    Status         : up-to-date 
    Source package : patterns-yast-20220411-1.2.src 
    Upstream URL   : https://github.com/yast/patterns-yast 
    Summary        : YaST Base Utilities 
    Description    :  
        YaST tools for basic system administration. 
    
    erlangen:~ #
    More evidence from rpm:
    Code:
    erlangen:~ # rpm -ql patterns-yast-yast2_basis                   
    /usr/share/doc/packages/patterns 
    /usr/share/doc/packages/patterns/yast2_basis.txt 
    erlangen:~ # rpm -ql yast2_basis               
    package yast2_basis is not installed 
    erlangen:~ #
    Code:
    erlangen:~ # cat /usr/share/doc/packages/patterns/yast2_basis.txt             
    This file marks the pattern yast2_basis to be installed. 
    erlangen:~ #
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    Default Re: Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

    Quote Originally Posted by hui View Post
    You have access to both installations so you should be able to compare them. Different patterns installed? Different desktop environments installed? ....
    Three or four systems updated yesterday, mostly 2300 packages updated, one install with 3900...
    Kind regards

    raspu

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