Plain vanilla TW - 3973 packages?

[suse_rasputin]

Hi!

I have here some plain vanillaTW KDE installs, typically a large zypper dup is updating about 2300 packages, but on one install (on a USB-stick) the same update cylce downloads and updates about 3900 packages.

What is the the difference between these installs and how to find out? Really no special things installs on this USB-stick iirc...

[hui]

You have access to both installations so you should be able to compare them. Different patterns installed? Different desktop environments installed? ....

[malcolmlewis]

Hi!

I have here some plain vanillaTW KDE installs, typically a large zypper dup is updating about 2300 packages, but on one install (on a USB-stick) the same update cylce downloads and updates about 3900 packages.

What is the the difference between these installs and how to find out? Really no special things installs on this USB-stick iirc...

Hi
What date was the download of the install medium? 20220616 was a large update, see the announcement and Factory Mailing List

[awerlang]

Run on both systems:

zypper pa -i | grep ^i+ | sort

Save to a file and compare:

diff -u log1 log2

[Gene_S]

Run on both systems:

zypper pa -i | grep ^i+ | sort

Save to a file and compare:

diff -u log1 log2

If you use:

zypper search -i

instead of

zypper packges -i

you'll get the patterns that are installed as well as packages.

Gene

[awerlang]

If you use:

zypper search -i

instead of

zypper packges -i

you'll get the patterns that are installed as well as packages.

Gene

Patterns are packages too so they appear in both listings. The package command list packages, some of which are pattern as the package name indicates. While the search command list the same then duplicate the pattern names in the listing stripping the pattern prefix.

[karlmistelberger]

Patterns are packages too so they appear in both listings.

Nope:

erlangen:~ # zypper if yast2_basis 
Loading repository data... 
Reading installed packages... 


package 'yast2_basis' not found. 

Information for pattern yast2_basis: 
------------------------------------ 
Repository      : Haupt-Repository (OSS) 
Name            : yast2_basis 
Version         : 20220411-1.2 
Arch            : x86_64 
Vendor          : openSUSE 
Installed       : Yes 
Visible to User : Yes 
Summary         : YaST Base Utilities 
Description     :  
    YaST tools for basic system administration. 
Contents        :  
    S  | Name                      | Type    | Dependency 
    ---+---------------------------+---------+------------ 
    i  | libyui-ncurses-pkg16      | package | Required 
    i+ | patterns-yast-yast2_basis | package | Required 
    i  | yast2                     | package | Required 
    i  | yast2-alternatives        | package | Required 
    i  | yast2-firewall            | package | Required 
    i  | yast2-packager            | package | Required 
    i  | yast2-theme               | package | Required 
    i  | yast2-metapackage-handler | package | Recommended 
    i  | yast2-vm                  | package | Recommended 

erlangen:~ #

Note the "Visible to User" flag.

[awerlang]

Karl disagreeing with facts, that's a new one.

$ zypper se yast2_basis
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...

S  | Name                      | Summary             | Type
---+---------------------------+---------------------+--------
   | patterns-yast-yast2_basis | YaST Base Utilities | package
 l | yast2_basis               | YaST Base Utilities | pattern

$ zypper pa | grep yast2_basis
   | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | x86_64
   | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | i586

[karlmistelberger]

Karl disagreeing with facts, that's a new one.

$ zypper se yast2_basis
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...

S  | Name                      | Summary             | Type
---+---------------------------+---------------------+--------
   | patterns-yast-yast2_basis | YaST Base Utilities | package
 l | yast2_basis               | YaST Base Utilities | pattern

$ zypper pa | grep yast2_basis
   | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | x86_64
   | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss    | patterns-yast-yast2_basis                                  | 20220411-1.2                                         | i586

Nope. These are packages, their name starting with string 'pattern':

erlangen:~ # zypper if patterns-yast-yast2_basis 
Loading repository data... 
Reading installed packages... 


Information for package patterns-yast-yast2_basis: 
-------------------------------------------------- 
Repository     : Haupt-Repository (OSS) 
Name           : patterns-yast-yast2_basis 
Version        : 20220411-1.2 
Arch           : x86_64 
Vendor         : openSUSE 
Installed Size : 57 B 
Installed      : Yes 
Status         : up-to-date 
Source package : patterns-yast-20220411-1.2.src 
Upstream URL   : https://github.com/yast/patterns-yast 
Summary        : YaST Base Utilities 
Description    :  
    YaST tools for basic system administration. 

erlangen:~ #

More evidence from rpm:

erlangen:~ # rpm -ql patterns-yast-yast2_basis                   
/usr/share/doc/packages/patterns 
/usr/share/doc/packages/patterns/yast2_basis.txt 
erlangen:~ # rpm -ql yast2_basis               
package yast2_basis is not installed 
erlangen:~ #

erlangen:~ # cat /usr/share/doc/packages/patterns/yast2_basis.txt             
This file marks the pattern yast2_basis to be installed. 
erlangen:~ #

[suse_rasputin]

You have access to both installations so you should be able to compare them. Different patterns installed? Different desktop environments installed? ....

Three or four systems updated yesterday, mostly 2300 packages updated, one install with 3900...