"2321" packages to upgrade . . . on reboot another "204" yet to go?? Why???

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Alrighty . . . don't have time to dig into "dup" this morning . . . but, today is Gecko TW MATE day . . . . From two days ago where Gecko Plasma TW showed 1776 packages that took almost two hours to install . . . MATE showed 1715 and ran the install in 46 minutes!!!

Same machine . . . essentially 3 "box stock" installations of the SUSE system . . . wildly variable package upgrades and wildly variable install times . . . using "zypper dup -l" . . . .

And, with today's upgrade . . . no 5 minutes to "purge old kernels" on the reboot . . . .

[malcolmlewis]

Alrighty . . . don't have time to dig into "dup" this morning . . . but, today is Gecko TW MATE day . . . . From two days ago where Gecko Plasma TW showed 1776 packages that took almost two hours to install . . . MATE showed 1715 and ran the install in 46 minutes!!!

Same machine . . . essentially 3 "box stock" installations of the SUSE system . . . wildly variable package upgrades and wildly variable install times . . . using "zypper dup -l" . . . .

And, with today's upgrade . . . no 5 minutes to "purge old kernels" on the reboot . . . .

Hi
That is a third party product, does it use the default repos as well as theirs? (zypper lr -d).

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Hi
That is a third party product, does it use the default repos as well as theirs? (zypper lr -d).

@malcolmlewis:

Yes, "third" or "second" party . . . it's like "ubuntu" being a stack on "Debian" I would assume, here stacked on TW:

:~> zypper lr -d
# | Alias                  | Name                   | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type   | URI                                                                 | Service
--+------------------------+------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+--------+---------------------------------------------------------------------+--------
1 | Google-chrome          | Google-chrome          | Yes     | ( p) Yes  | Yes     |  115     | rpm-md | https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/x86_64                | 
2 | Google-talkplugin      | Google-talkplugin      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |  115     | rpm-md | https://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/rpm/stable/x86_64            | 
3 | Nvidia                 | Nvidia                 | No      | ----      | ----    |  115     | NONE   | https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed                     | 
4 | Packman_Tumbleweed     | Packman_Tumbleweed     | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   90     | rpm-md | http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ | 
5 | Tumbleweed_OSS         | Tumbleweed_OSS         | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   98     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/                   | 
6 | Tumbleweed_OSS-updates | Tumbleweed_OSS-updates | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   97     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/                     | 
7 | Tumbleweed_non-OSS     | Tumbleweed_non-OSS     | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   98     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/               | 
8 | skype-stable           | Skype                  | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |  115     | rpm-md | https://repo.skype.com/rpm/stable/

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Gecko TW:

:~> ldd --version
ldd (GNU libc) 2.35
Copyright (C) 2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Written by Roland McGrath and Ulrich Drepper.
1:~> gcc --version
bash: gcc: command not found

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Some ramifications: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/d...ournalCode=pto

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
—Matthew 25:29.

@karlmistelberger:

I found a better Feynman quote, quoted by Wilczek . . . "The stage is too big for the players."

Seems appropriate to the philosophical train of the chitchat . . . .

[malcolmlewis]

@malcolmlewis:

Yes, "third" or "second" party . . . it's like "ubuntu" being a stack on "Debian" I would assume, here stacked on TW:

:~> zypper lr -d
# | Alias                  | Name                   | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type   | URI                                                                 | Service
--+------------------------+------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+--------+---------------------------------------------------------------------+--------
1 | Google-chrome          | Google-chrome          | Yes     | ( p) Yes  | Yes     |  115     | rpm-md | https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/x86_64                | 
2 | Google-talkplugin      | Google-talkplugin      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |  115     | rpm-md | https://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/rpm/stable/x86_64            | 
3 | Nvidia                 | Nvidia                 | No      | ----      | ----    |  115     | NONE   | https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed                     | 
4 | Packman_Tumbleweed     | Packman_Tumbleweed     | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   90     | rpm-md | http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ | 
5 | Tumbleweed_OSS         | Tumbleweed_OSS         | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   98     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/                   | 
6 | Tumbleweed_OSS-updates | Tumbleweed_OSS-updates | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   97     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/                     | 
7 | Tumbleweed_non-OSS     | Tumbleweed_non-OSS     | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   98     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/               | 
8 | skype-stable           | Skype                  | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |  115     | rpm-md | https://repo.skype.com/rpm/stable/

Hi
So it would just be branding/patterns on the new install by the looks.... as in no specific gecko repo. Never used/needed to set priorities, vendor sticky-ness is now in play, switch and stay switched.

Have you tried mirrorcache for openSUSE?

[karlmistelberger]

Alrighty . . . don't have time to dig into "dup" this morning . . . but, today is Gecko TW MATE day . . . . From two days ago where Gecko Plasma TW showed 1776 packages that took almost two hours to install . . . MATE showed 1715 and ran the install in 46 minutes!

Upgrading Tumbleweed from 20220518-0 -> 20220519-0: 149 packages, download size 118,3 MiB
Download only: Consumed 6.592s CPU time. -> 22 packages/second
Install from cache: Consumed 22.628s CPU time. -> 6.6 Packages/second

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Upgrading Tumbleweed from 20220518-0 -> 20220519-0: 149 packages, download size 118,3 MiB
Download only: Consumed 6.592s CPU time. -> 22 packages/second
Install from cache: Consumed 22.628s CPU time. -> 6.6 Packages/second

@karlmistelberger:

Well, those are vastly different numbers from my recent "2525 packages to upgrade" in TW, and the 1700 in Gecko . . . vastly different times to run, etc. Perhaps you are booting TW every day, or it's running 24/7 so whenever there are packages, your "dup" app is running them through on yr Ryzen cpu? Whereas I'm booting TW essentially one time a week for a couple of hours . . . running my old Quad-core "Ivybridge" i7 from '12????

Today was LM day, had a few packages to upgrade . . . went thru fast, then rebooted to Deb Bookworm . . . apt showed "55 packages" ran thru in a couple of minutes.

g++-11 gcc-11 gcc-11-base gcc-12-base

were included.

~$ ldd --version
ldd (Debian GLIBC 2.33-7) 2.33
Copyright (C) 2021 

1:~$ gcc --version
gcc (Debian 11.3.0-3) 11.3.0
Copyright (C) 2021

[karlmistelberger]

Well, those are vastly different numbers from my recent "2525 packages to upgrade" in TW, and the 1700 in Gecko . . . vastly different times to run, etc. Perhaps you are booting TW every day, or it's running 24/7 so whenever there are packages, your "dup" app is running them through on yr Ryzen cpu? Whereas I'm booting TW essentially one time a week for a couple of hours . . . running my old Quad-core "Ivybridge" i7 from '12????

Today was LM day, had a few packages to upgrade . . . went thru fast, then rebooted to Deb Bookworm . . . apt showed "55 packages" ran thru in a couple of minutes.

Some data of big updates on Ryzen 5 3400G and i5-8250U: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...ga-Update-quot

Ryzen 5 5600U: Tumbleweed 20220519-0 -> 20220520-0, 60 packages, 320,7 MiB download: 4.790s CPU, install 23.072s CPU.

i7-6700K: Tumbleweed 20220519-0 -> 20220520-0, 70 packages, 407,0 MiB, download&install: 1min 42.330s CPU

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Today is "Lubuntu Kinetic" day . . . in the first "major" upgrade in the system since moving from previous "jammy" iteration . . . "212 packages" in 291MB of data including "gcc-11" and "gcc-12" . . . 5 minutes to dl and install . . . .