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    I tried to run KVM on my desktop in the past, but with no luck. I can't tell what went wrong. I probably explained it to myself with the hardware limitation of my computer.

    No, I certainly don't plan a virtual machine farm. So far, I have used VBox to test other systems, such as FreeNAS.

    Due to the fact that my laptop, or in fact my wife's laptop - the old Toshiba Satellite with Windows, is becoming less and less usable - and the attempt to replace the RAM was not fully successful - I decided to start a discussion here whether or not to speed up the replacement of my desktop

    OpenSUSE will definitely remain my main system and Windows will run in a virtual machine. There is also a dual boot option - because of the wife who wants to have easy access "to the computer"

    Although in one of the first threads I wrote about buying a laptop with Windows only and switching to this platform, the strength of habit (or maybe laziness) keeps me with OpenSUSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by filip76 View Post
    You're right, I don't have an SSD. I had the previous, small Transcend - 32 GB but I replaced it a few years ago with a 2.5 "HDD - and I forgot about it [facepalm]. I was convinced that it was an SSD ...

    Regarding the mITX board - this is my chase - CHIETEC BT-02B. There is a choice - the old housing and searching among mITX boards or adding the housing to the shopping list.
    In the store where I usually buy electronics, many items are unavailable. This applies to the cheaper ones. For example, MSI MEG Z490I UNIFY is available.

    In turn, mATX is available twice as cheap MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA, so for the price difference I can buy a new chase.

    These are just two arbitrary examples of motherboards, what is your opinion on this?

    What processor would you suggest? i5 10th gen will be enough?

    Considering the option with the Dell Latitude 7490 laptop, I could buy it for about $ 600 (Intel Core i7-8650U 16 GB / 256.00 GB). For $ 80 I could buy a docking station, for another $ 80 a battery, and for 130 - a 1TB drive. So for the equivalent of $ 900, I could buy a laptop.

    We can consider $ 900 on the top of my desktop upgrade budget, although I'd rather spend less, say $ 600.
    I would need:
    - motherboard
    - processor
    - RAM
    - chase (if we change the disc format to other than mITX)


    Edit:
    I did not include a cooling paste or a Windows license in my list, but the license is not urgent as long as I still have an old laptop.

    I certainly do not need a DVD because I have, I would also buy an SSD drive, but only for the system and at / home, taking into account the processing of photos and videos, 250 GB should be enough to save projects, ready films and photos would be stored on the HDD.
    For discussing the parts list I choose Mindfactory. Components are available from many vendors which may have better offers.
    1. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...rz_822379.html
    2. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...e_1322106.html
    3. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...0_1418829.html
    4. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...X_1365142.html
    5. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...r_1000375.html
    6. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...t_1013788.html
    7. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...-_1280844.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by karlmistelberger View Post
    For discussing the parts list I choose Mindfactory. Components are available from many vendors which may have better offers.
    ...
    Thanks a lot!

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    Hi,

    I am wondering about one point. I assumed that in the most likely scenario I would install OpenSUSE as the main system and Windows in a virtual machine.

    Thanks to this, I would use the computer as before, starting Windows if necessary.

    But when buying a used computer, as suggested here, I would most often have Windows installed (often in the Pro version).

    In this situation, the option with a virtual machine becomes more difficult for at least two reasons:
    1) technical - how to get the system image from the recovery partition?
    2) legal - if I understand the information from Dell support correctly - 1 computer = 1 system installation; so Windows can be installed either on disk or in a virtual machine.

    Forgive these trivial questions, but the last Windows system that I worked with with administrator privileges was Win XP (then only Linux privately, professionally - Windows without root privileges).
    What would you do in this case, assuming you paid for the Windows license with your computer?

    1) Option with virtual machine, download Windows from Microsoft website and register in virtual machine with original product key (which I suppose I will get with computer)? What about the Recovery partition - is it justified to keep it (e.g. for later resale?)? Will it work?
    2) Dual boot - it seems to be the simplest but the least elegant option. I assumed that I would use Windows sporadically (for iPhone syncing with iTunes and Garmin eTrex). But perhaps Windows Pro should be used for other purposes?

    In such a situation, keeping my existing HDD with data, I would have a difficult access due to the file system - ext4 and encryption of some partitions.
    Besides, working more on Windows, I would have to run an SMB and DLNA file server on it, and the files are on ext4 partitions.
    Yes, there is an option to transfer data to the Windows partition when replacing the disks with new ones, but I would not like to increase the cost of buying a computer with the cost of new disks.

    3) Setting Windows as the root system, OpenSUSE in a virtual machine. Is it possible to clone a host computer (OpenSUSE) to a virtual machine (OpenSUSE), perform a snapshot and then run a snapshot in Windows?

    Which of these ideas makes the most sense to you? I know that it is best to verify it in practice, but before spending money, it is worth thinking twice
    I emphasize that at my age, the war of systems does not matter to me anymore, but I care about obtaining certain functionalities and comfortable use.

    Last question - is the antivirus program "must have" in Windows?

    Thank you and best regards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by filip76 View Post
    I am wondering about one point. I assumed that in the most likely scenario I would install OpenSUSE as the main system and Windows in a virtual machine.
    What works best for many users is multi boot:
    Code:
    erlangen:~ # fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1 /dev/sda 
    Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 476.94 GiB, 512110190592 bytes, 1000215216 sectors
    Disk model: Samsung SSD 950 PRO 512GB                
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes 
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
    Disklabel type: gpt 
    Disk identifier: A84F222E-0177-499B-A7EA-BDA6F31E2196 
    
    Device           Start       End  Sectors  SizeType
    /dev/nvme0n1p1     2048     206847    204800   100M EFI System 
    /dev/nvme0n1p2   206848   25806847  25600000  12.2G Linux filesystem 
    /dev/nvme0n1p3 25806848 1000214527 974407680 464.6G Linux filesystem 
    
    
    Disk /dev/sda: 232.89 GiB, 250059350016 bytes, 488397168 sectors
    Disk model: Samsung SSD 850  
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes 
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
    Disklabel type: gpt 
    Disk identifier: 8DDF3D13-6D21-462C-8B35-7F46FD561E45 
    
    Device        Start      End Sectors SizeType
    /dev/sda1       2048    206847   204800  100M EFI System 
    /dev/sda2     206848  63121407 62914560   30G Linux filesystem 
    /dev/sda3   63121408 147007487 83886080   40G Linux filesystem 
    /dev/sda4  147007488 208447487 61440000 29.3G Linux filesystem 
    /dev/sda5  208447488 267042815 58595328 27.9G Linux filesystem 
    /dev/sda6  267042816 328482815 61440000 29.3G Linux filesystem 
    /dev/sda7  328482816 389922815 61440000 29.3G Linux filesystem 
    /dev/sda8  389922816 389955583    32768   16M Microsoft reserved 
    /dev/sda9  389955584 488396799 98441216 46.9G Microsoft basic data 
    erlangen:~ #
    I installed Windows from the iso: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...ws-10-for-Free The product key can be entered later.

    With a modern SSD the default openSUSE partitioning works best. Swap is optional. I have RAM instead:
    Code:
    erlangen:~ # lsblk -f /dev/nvme0n1 
    NAME        FSTYPE FSVER LABEL                UUID                                 FSAVAIL FSUSE% MOUNTPOINTS 
    nvme0n1                                                                                            
    ├─nvme0n1p1 vfat   FAT16                      6DEC-64F9                              91.5M     8% /boot/efi 
    ├─nvme0n1p2 xfs                               f62b0c85-6bd1-48d6-a04a-b148d3892a3d                 
    └─nvme0n1p3 btrfs        tumbleweed-nvme0n1p3 e7ad401f-4f60-42ff-a07e-f54372bc1dbc   69.6G    85% /var 
                                                                                                      /usr/local 
                                                                                                      /srv 
                                                                                                      /root 
                                                                                                      /opt 
                                                                                                      /home 
                                                                                                      /boot/grub2/x86_64-efi 
                                                                                                      /boot/grub2/i386-pc 
                                                                                                      /.snapshots 
                                                                                                      / 
    erlangen:~ #
    BTW:
    Code:
    erlangen:~ # inxi -Fm  
    System:    Host: erlangen Kernel: 5.15.12-1-default x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty pts/1 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20220101 
    Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME B450-PLUS v: Rev X.0x serial: 201278343101133 UEFI: American Megatrends 
               v: 2409 date: 12/02/2020 
    Memory:    RAM:total: 29.26 GiB used: 3.55 GiB (12.1%) 
               Array-1:capacity: 128 GiB slots: 4 EC: None 
               Device-1: DIMM_A1 size: No Module Installed 
               Device-2: DIMM_A2 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s 
               Device-3: DIMM_B1 size: No Module Installed 
               Device-4: DIMM_B2 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s 
    CPU:       Info: Quad Core model: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:L2: 2 MiB 
               Speed: 1239 MHz min/max: 1400/3700 MHz Core speeds (MHz):1: 1239 2: 1250 3: 1661 4: 1752 5: 1240 6: 1326 7: 1421 
               8: 2699 
    Graphics:  Device-1: AMD Picasso/Raven 2 [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] driver: amdgpu v: kernel 
               Display:server: X.Org 1.21.1.2 driver:loaded: amdgpu,ati unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
               resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
               OpenGL:renderer: AMD Radeon Vega 11 Graphics (RAVEN DRM 3.42.0 5.15.12-1-default LLVM 13.0.0) v: 4.6 Mesa 21.3.1 
    Audio:     Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Raven/Raven2/Fenghuang HDMI/DP Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
               Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 17h HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
               Device-3: Tenx USB AUDIO type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid 
               Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.15.12-1-default running: yes 
               Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 15.0 running: yes 
    Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet driver: r8169 
               IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: f0:2f:74:33:b2:4a 
    Drives:    Local Storage:total: 2.97 TiB used: 393.86 GiB (13.0%) 
               ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 950 PRO 512GB size: 476.94 GiB 
               ID-2: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 850 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB 
               ID-3: /dev/sdb vendor: Samsung model: SSD 850 EVO 500GB size: 465.76 GiB 
               ID-4: /dev/sdc vendor: Seagate model: ST2000DM001-1CH164 size: 1.82 TiB 
    Partition: ID-1: / size: 464.63 GiB used: 393.86 GiB (84.8%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3 
               ID-2: /boot/efi size: 99.8 MiB used: 8.3 MiB (8.3%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 
               ID-3: /home size: 464.63 GiB used: 393.86 GiB (84.8%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3 
               ID-4: /opt size: 464.63 GiB used: 393.86 GiB (84.8%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3 
               ID-5: /var size: 464.63 GiB used: 393.86 GiB (84.8%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3 
    Swap:      Alert: No swap data was found. 
    Sensors:   Message: No sensor data found. Is lm-sensors configured? 
    Info:      Processes: 297 Uptime: 3h 29m Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.07 
    erlangen:~ #
    
    
    
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    Quote Originally Posted by filip76 View Post
    Hi,

    I am wondering about one point. I assumed that in the most likely scenario I would install OpenSUSE as the main system and Windows in a virtual machine.

    Thanks to this, I would use the computer as before, starting Windows if necessary.

    But when buying a used computer, as suggested here, I would most often have Windows installed (often in the Pro version).

    In this situation, the option with a virtual machine becomes more difficult for at least two reasons:
    1) technical - how to get the system image from the recovery partition?
    2) legal - if I understand the information from Dell support correctly - 1 computer = 1 system installation; so Windows can be installed either on disk or in a virtual machine.

    Forgive these trivial questions, but the last Windows system that I worked with with administrator privileges was Win XP (then only Linux privately, professionally - Windows without root privileges).
    What would you do in this case, assuming you paid for the Windows license with your computer?

    1) Option with virtual machine, download Windows from Microsoft website and register in virtual machine with original product key (which I suppose I will get with computer)? What about the Recovery partition - is it justified to keep it (e.g. for later resale?)? Will it work?
    2) Dual boot - it seems to be the simplest but the least elegant option. I assumed that I would use Windows sporadically (for iPhone syncing with iTunes and Garmin eTrex). But perhaps Windows Pro should be used for other purposes?

    In such a situation, keeping my existing HDD with data, I would have a difficult access due to the file system - ext4 and encryption of some partitions.
    Besides, working more on Windows, I would have to run an SMB and DLNA file server on it, and the files are on ext4 partitions.
    Yes, there is an option to transfer data to the Windows partition when replacing the disks with new ones, but I would not like to increase the cost of buying a computer with the cost of new disks.

    3) Setting Windows as the root system, OpenSUSE in a virtual machine. Is it possible to clone a host computer (OpenSUSE) to a virtual machine (OpenSUSE), perform a snapshot and then run a snapshot in Windows?

    Which of these ideas makes the most sense to you? I know that it is best to verify it in practice, but before spending money, it is worth thinking twice
    I emphasize that at my age, the war of systems does not matter to me anymore, but I care about obtaining certain functionalities and comfortable use.

    Last question - is the antivirus program "must have" in Windows?

    Thank you and best regards!
    Hi
    MS Windows is a free download, no need for recovery images (unless your wanting the carp ware), there might be a need for some driver downloads, but most are found by windows...

    If the machine has a license, then good to go with either physical and/or virtual AFAIK and activation is automatic..

    I have a physical WinX available as well as WinXI in a virtual machine. Use neither much...
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    Thank you very much for your opinions!

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    MS Windows is a free download, no need for recovery images (unless your wanting the carp ware), there might be a need for some driver downloads, but most are found by windows...

    If the machine has a license, then good to go with either physical and/or virtual AFAIK and activation is automatic..

    I have a physical WinX available as well as WinXI in a virtual machine. Use neither much...
    Ok, I think a lot depends on the equipment supplier and warranty records, for example Dell. When buying a new Dell computer, I would rather go with a multi-boot boot. By the way - I became interested in the ready-made Dell Precision 3450 i5-10505 / 16GB / 512 / Win10P desktop (Intel® W580 chipset).

    It is different when I build the system myself and download it from the site as you propose.
    In this option I would compose something according to the Karlmistelberger proposal, or buy something ready, for example Lenovo IdeaCentre 5 i5-10400 / 16GB / 512 (no OS, Intel B560 chipset).


    Quote Originally Posted by karlmistelberger View Post
    What works best for many users is multi boot:

    ...
    As I mentioned above, if I would significantly exceed the budget, for example, buying such Dell, I would rather choose a multiboot. My wife, who may partially contribute to the costs, would prefer Windows to start when the "power" button is pressed.

    Choosing a cheaper hardware option, i.e. assembling a computer according to your proposal (thank You very much again) or buying a ready-made one (and without my wife's financial contribution), I would prepare it to be convenient for me, i.e. Windows in a virtual machine. Rather

    Best wishes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by filip76 View Post
    Thank you very much for your opinions!
    Ok, I think a lot depends on the equipment supplier and warranty records, for example Dell. When buying a new Dell computer, I would rather go with a multi-boot boot. By the way - I became interested in the ready-made Dell Precision 3450 i5-10505 / 16GB / 512 / Win10P desktop (Intel® W580 chipset).

    It is different when I build the system myself and download it from the site as you propose.
    In this option I would compose something according to the Karlmistelberger proposal, or buy something ready, for example Lenovo IdeaCentre 5 i5-10400 / 16GB / 512 (no OS, Intel B560 chipset).

    As I mentioned above, if I would significantly exceed the budget, for example, buying such Dell, I would rather choose a multiboot. My wife, who may partially contribute to the costs, would prefer Windows to start when the "power" button is pressed.

    Choosing a cheaper hardware option, i.e. assembling a computer according to your proposal (thank You very much again) or buying a ready-made one (and without my wife's financial contribution), I would prepare it to be convenient for me, i.e. Windows in a virtual machine. Rather

    Best wishes!
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    filip76,
    even though it appears you are more into virtualizing this alternative non-posix system, please have look at the following thread:
    https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...2en-opis)-post

    just to get sensitized regarding the changes related to booting nowadays.
    Last edited by pbojczuk; 03-Jan-2022 at 10:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlmistelberger View Post
    ...

    Conclusion:
    ...
    In the end-user area, finished PCs are generally not recommended because there has been a race to the bottom. Build the PC yourself or specify to a local PC shop exactly which parts should be put in, and don't leave anything unspecified.
    Thanks for the warning! I thought about a finished computer, because they actually look a bit cheaper with similar parameters (Lenovo). In the case of Dell (which is well above my original budget), I thought that maybe I have been using Linux unnecessarily for so many years ...


    Quote Originally Posted by pbojczuk View Post
    ...
    just to get sensitized regarding the changes related to booting nowadays.
    Thanks for the tip, but I should change my computer more than once in 10 years

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