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    Default Re: New computer

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    The NVS 295 is no longer supported, so would only be nouveau driver...
    oops ..
    Thanks for the warning.
    Is the lack of producer support a big problem in this case? Sorry to ask so directly, but generally I was dealing with Intel integrated cards.

    If NVS 295 is not supported, I might just look for another computer. What kind of graphics card to look for? Maybe K2200?

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlmistelberger View Post
    ....

    See also the upgrade of the i3-4130 from 2014: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...49#post2944249 Last year I considered giving away the replaced parts. However I ended up with buying a new case (60€), power supply (45€) and SSD (40€). The i3-4130 still makes for a great backup system after 8 years.
    I think that my current desktop can be used as a file server for a few more years. In fact, only one application - Shotcut is not working properly, probably the computer is too weak for it.
    I also thought about expanding it, but the casing is too small, it can only hold 1 HDD 5.25 "and 1 SSD 2.5".

    So I wouldn't invest in this computer. When buying a new laptop (including the Dell used here) I would probably leave it as a backup / samba / DLNA server anyway - at least at the beginning.

    When buying a workstation, however, I would live to minimize the amount of hardware, and then I would get rid of it, taking disks from it.

    My current desktop is:
    Code:
    inxi -Fxxz
    System:    Kernel: 5.3.18-lp152.106-preempt x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0 wm: marco dm: LightDM 
               Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.2 
    Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: Intel model: DH61DL v: AAG14066-205 serial: <filter> BIOS: Intel 
               v: BEH6110H.86A.0038.2012.0110.1653 date: 01/10/2012 
    CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Pentium G630 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
               flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 10774 
               Speed: 2264 MHz min/max: 1600/2700 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2373 2: 2059 
    Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
               chip ID: 8086:0102 
               Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: marco driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: intel 
               resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz s-dpi: 96 
               OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Desktop v: 3.3 Mesa 19.3.4 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes 
    Audio:     Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
               chip ID: 8086:1c20 
               Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.3.18-lp152.106-preempt 
    Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: TP-LINK TG-3468 driver: r8169 v: kernel 
               port: e000 bus ID: 03:00.0 chip ID: 10ec:8168 
               IF: eth3 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
    Drives:    Local Storage: total: 1.36 TiB used: 743.30 GiB (53.2%) 
               ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: HGST (Hitachi) model: HTS725050A7E630 size: 465.76 GiB speed: 3.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> 
               ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM003-1CH162 size: 931.51 GiB speed: 3.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> 
    Partition: ID-1: / size: 27.09 GiB used: 17.92 GiB (66.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 
               ID-2: /home size: 55.67 GiB used: 41.10 GiB (73.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-0 
    Swap:      ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 8.42 GiB used: 33.2 MiB (0.4%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/sda2 
    Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: N/A 
               Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
    Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 9h 34m Memory: 7.67 GiB used: 1.96 GiB (25.6%) Init: systemd v: 234 runlevel: 5 
               target: graphical.target Compilers: gcc: 7.5.0 alt: 7 Shell: bash v: 4.4.23 running in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.1.00

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    Default Re: New computer

    Quote Originally Posted by filip76 View Post
    oops ..
    Thanks for the warning.
    Is the lack of producer support a big problem in this case? Sorry to ask so directly, but generally I was dealing with Intel integrated cards.

    If NVS 295 is not supported, I might just look for another computer. What kind of graphics card to look for? Maybe K2200?

    Thank you!
    Hi
    Only from the point of not being able to run the proprietary driver... The K2200 is, see https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driv...x/184163/en-us

    Or look at an AMD option?
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    @malcolmlewis

    Thank You very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by filip76 View Post
    I think that my current desktop can be used as a file server for a few more years. In fact, only one application - Shotcut is not working properly, probably the computer is too weak for it.
    I also thought about expanding it, but the casing is too small, it can only hold 1 HDD 5.25 "and 1 SSD 2.5".

    So I wouldn't invest in this computer. When buying a new laptop (including the Dell used here) I would probably leave it as a backup / samba / DLNA server anyway - at least at the beginning.

    When buying a workstation, however, I would live to minimize the amount of hardware, and then I would get rid of it, taking disks from it.

    My current desktop is:
    Code:
    inxi -Fxxz
    System:    Kernel: 5.3.18-lp152.106-preempt x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0 wm: marco dm: LightDM 
               Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.2 
    Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: Intel model: DH61DL v: AAG14066-205 serial: <filter> BIOS: Intel 
               v: BEH6110H.86A.0038.2012.0110.1653 date: 01/10/2012 
    CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Pentium G630 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
               flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 10774 
               Speed: 2264 MHz min/max: 1600/2700 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2373 2: 2059 
    Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
               chip ID: 8086:0102 
               Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: marco driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: intel 
               resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz s-dpi: 96 
               OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Desktop v: 3.3 Mesa 19.3.4 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes 
    Audio:     Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
               chip ID: 8086:1c20 
               Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.3.18-lp152.106-preempt 
    Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: TP-LINK TG-3468 driver: r8169 v: kernel 
               port: e000 bus ID: 03:00.0 chip ID: 10ec:8168 
               IF: eth3 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
    Drives:    Local Storage: total: 1.36 TiB used: 743.30 GiB (53.2%) 
               ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: HGST (Hitachi) model: HTS725050A7E630 size: 465.76 GiB speed: 3.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> 
               ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM003-1CH162 size: 931.51 GiB speed: 3.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> 
    Partition: ID-1: / size: 27.09 GiB used: 17.92 GiB (66.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 
               ID-2: /home size: 55.67 GiB used: 41.10 GiB (73.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-0 
    Swap:      ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 8.42 GiB used: 33.2 MiB (0.4%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/sda2 
    Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: N/A 
               Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
    Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 9h 34m Memory: 7.67 GiB used: 1.96 GiB (25.6%) Init: systemd v: 234 runlevel: 5 
               target: graphical.target Compilers: gcc: 7.5.0 alt: 7 Shell: bash v: 4.4.23 running in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.1.00
    Both the CPU and the Drives are abysmal. A refurbished workstation is a bad idea, in my opinion of course. Even the smallest core i3 outperforms most out of date systems:
    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare...100/1109vs3717 Affordable boards and memory are available for socket 1200. SSDs are now affordable too.
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    @karlmistelberger

    Thank you for your opinion.
    Unfortunately, apart from the fact that I am not up to date with the hardware, I also use a translator.

    So let's try to communicate

    If I understand you correctly, you are rejecting the idea of ​​investing in old workstation. In part, I will admit you are right, because I am completely unfamiliar with hardware.

    As for my current computer - is your suggestion to upgrade this machine?

    First thing - I have two drives there - HDD, which is a data store (music, photos, movies - these files are shared by samba / DLNA servers).

    I have the system, / home and swap on my SSD.
    I also have a DVD in this computer - archaic technology, but thanks to it I have my music from CDs on the HDD ...

    In this case, I would have to replace the motherboard (by the way - my network card is damaged and I'm using a new one on a PCie).

    Could you suggest me some configurations? As I wrote - I would like the computer to cope with simple video editing and with VirtualBox (Windows).

    The casing is a limitation, because it is small, apart from DVD it can only contain 1 HDD and 1 SSD. I would like to use the drives that I have, but I do not insist on doing so.

    Thank you!

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    Complementing the above:
    1) the board must be mITX
    2) I would start with 16 GB RAM (rather 1x16?)
    3) I think I would still use two hard drives - 1 fast for system and /home (256 GB) and the other, at least 1 TB for data - unless it's a bad idea, straight from the HDD era and one high-capacity fast disk is enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by filip76 View Post
    @karlmistelberger

    Thank you for your opinion.
    Unfortunately, apart from the fact that I am not up to date with the hardware, I also use a translator.

    So let's try to communicate

    If I understand you correctly, you are rejecting the idea of ​​investing in old workstation. In part, I will admit you are right, because I am completely unfamiliar with hardware.

    As for my current computer - is your suggestion to upgrade this machine?

    First thing - I have two drives there - HDD, which is a data store (music, photos, movies - these files are shared by samba / DLNA servers).

    I have the system, / home and swap on my SSD.
    I also have a DVD in this computer - archaic technology, but thanks to it I have my music from CDs on the HDD ...

    In this case, I would have to replace the motherboard (by the way - my network card is damaged and I'm using a new one on a PCie).

    Could you suggest me some configurations? As I wrote - I would like the computer to cope with simple video editing and with VirtualBox (Windows).

    The casing is a limitation, because it is small, apart from DVD it can only contain 1 HDD and 1 SSD. I would like to use the drives that I have, but I do not insist on doing so.

    Thank you!
    Have a look at the parts list of: A Computer Build To Last For At Least The Next 8 Years (UPDATED FOR 2021)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suJxsoaJLSc

    The build is oversized for your requirements. If you like the build I can suggest an adjusted parts list. I don't see a SSD in your inxi output. You can plug your HDDs into this build. Micro ITX narrows down your options and rises costs. Micro ATX is cheaper and more flexible. ATX is easiest, flexible and inexpensive as all my builds in the signature.
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    You're right, I don't have an SSD. I had the previous, small Transcend - 32 GB but I replaced it a few years ago with a 2.5 "HDD - and I forgot about it [facepalm]. I was convinced that it was an SSD ...

    Regarding the mITX board - this is my chase - CHIETEC BT-02B. There is a choice - the old housing and searching among mITX boards or adding the housing to the shopping list.
    In the store where I usually buy electronics, many items are unavailable. This applies to the cheaper ones. For example, MSI MEG Z490I UNIFY is available.

    In turn, mATX is available twice as cheap MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA, so for the price difference I can buy a new chase.

    These are just two arbitrary examples of motherboards, what is your opinion on this?

    What processor would you suggest? i5 10th gen will be enough?

    Considering the option with the Dell Latitude 7490 laptop, I could buy it for about $ 600 (Intel Core i7-8650U 16 GB / 256.00 GB). For $ 80 I could buy a docking station, for another $ 80 a battery, and for 130 - a 1TB drive. So for the equivalent of $ 900, I could buy a laptop.

    We can consider $ 900 on the top of my desktop upgrade budget, although I'd rather spend less, say $ 600.
    I would need:
    - motherboard
    - processor
    - RAM
    - chase (if we change the disc format to other than mITX)


    Edit:
    I did not include a cooling paste or a Windows license in my list, but the license is not urgent as long as I still have an old laptop.

    I certainly do not need a DVD because I have, I would also buy an SSD drive, but only for the system and at / home, taking into account the processing of photos and videos, 250 GB should be enough to save projects, ready films and photos would be stored on the HDD.

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    filip76,
    since you are speaking about the predecade experience, two major things that changed for me during this period: KVM and USB 3.0.

    Could you suggest me some configurations? As I wrote - I would like the computer to cope with simple video editing and with VirtualBox (...).
    I dropped vbox as a desktop hypervisor and switched to KVM there. Since on have been having a wonderful experience with sharing USB devices with hosted VMs - mic, cameras and stuff on the conference calls included.

    Moreover, an external 3.0 USB ssd hard drives work surprisingly efficiently when running KVM based VMs. If you do not plan a vm farm on external disks you are not going to be disappointed with current USB speeds.
    Last edited by pbojczuk; 01-Jan-2022 at 13:38.

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