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    These days white has become almost a pejorative. No one ever uses it in a positive sense. Just bad ones. Where’s the pc brigade about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertfox View Post
    These days white has become almost a pejorative. No one ever uses it in a positive sense. Just bad ones. Where’s the pc brigade about that?
    Clearly that's not true. White phones are best. White cars have less accidents. White snow is preferable to yellow snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertfox View Post
    Most people know the difference between killing a programme and a dead child, obviously.
    I was just presenting a situation where a less than considerate choice of language could cause upset to others. The example also served to illustrate that if the historical choice had been a more neutral, the awkwardness in such situations could be avoided. I would add that I don't think we should go back and change UNIX, but when coding a dialog box in an app exercise some common sense.

    More generally, avoid the tech talk about killing children, parents, slaves or even supervisors when riding the bus or passing through airport security. This is especially important in unfamiliar countries or neighborhoods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertfox View Post
    More to the point, who at Opensuse subscribes to these language Nazis?
    It wasn't raised by openSUSE –
    • It was raised by the KDE community …


    National Socialism –
    • Extremely unpleasant – in all it's forms and incarnations …
    • Yes, agreed, IMHO, we need to take care that, the implications of National Socialism doesn't begin to creep into our everyday language – technical or otherwise …

    Which is why, I, personally, do not agree with the reasons being put forward for changes to our technical language related to “Offensive Terms in Computing”.

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    Electrical engineer here.
    We always use the term master drive and slave drive when we have control two motors coupled in tandem.
    Or in other practical situations.

    I'm aware that everybody is easily offended these days, but never heard about this in engineering.
    I think it is ridiculous, i would not change this.
    But it is just my humble opinion.

    Will share this with my colleagues, lets see what they think.
    I will get back to you.

    Regards,
    Gigi Horhota

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi View Post
    Electrical engineer here.
    We always use the term master drive and slave drive when we have control two motors coupled in tandem.
    Or in other practical situations.

    I'm aware that everybody is easily offended these days, but never heard about this in engineering.
    I think it is ridiculous, i would not change this.
    But it is just my humble opinion.

    Will share this with my colleagues, lets see what they think.
    I will get back to you.

    Regards,
    Gigi Horhota
    In respect to Electrical Engineering, see http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/stri...n-engineering/

    The problem with "everyone getting offended" partly stems from the transition to a more global culture (less European-male dominated). Engineering and science is unlikely to stand still as the world changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi View Post
    I'm aware that everybody is easily offended these days, but never heard about this in engineering.
    Quote Originally Posted by mchnz View Post
    The problem with "everyone getting offended" partly stems from the transition to a more global culture (less European-male dominated).
    I only hope that, reasonable arguments will be found to change the terminology used to describe the relationship between “controlling” and “controlled” system units …
    • Regardless of a context related to engineering disciplines or, not …

    And, IMHO, even if the engineering terminology is changed, the larger human problem, regardless of the terminology used to describe it, will not be changed …

    I can hardly wait – there are possibly people on this planet who are offended by the idea of an inert, non-human, object controlling other inert, non-human, objects …

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