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    Default Re: Why do SUSE members blame Richard Stallman? Please post your personal opinion.

    It is official now: https://news.opensuse.org/2021/04/12...pensuse-board/

    in this brave new world [open]SUSE's management decided to praise people based on how they identify, how they look like and how sweet they talk, rather than based on how good they do their job.

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    Default Re: Why do SUSE members blame Richard Stallman? Please post your personal opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by vrobo View Post
    It is official now: https://news.opensuse.org/2021/04/12...pensuse-board/

    in this brave new world [open]SUSE's management decided to praise people based on how they identify, how they look like and how sweet they talk, rather than based on how good they do their job.
    Honestly, reading all this insane one person manhunt over his stupid opinions (which are still just his own and not a representation of FSF) just makes me want to associate myself with SUSE less and less. It's also crazy ironic considering the boards treatment of literally their only female member a while back.

    I would also like to congratulate the boards "transparency" having their private meetings and then putting out their declaration representing the entire openSUSE community without asking anyone other than their private little circle.
    .: miuku #suse @ irc.freenode.net

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    Question Re: Why do SUSE members blame Richard Stallman? – RMS apology – 1st attempt …

    RMS has published an apology – <https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-address...ware-community>
    RMS addresses the free software community
    Published on Apr 12, 2021 10:24 AM

    Ever since my teenage years, I felt as if there were a filmy curtain separating me from other people my age. I understood the words of their conversations, but I could not grasp why they said what they did. Much later I realized that I didn't understand the subtle cues that other people were responding to.

    Later in life, I discovered that some people had negative reactions to my behavior, which I did not even know about. Tending to be direct and honest with my thoughts, I sometimes made others uncomfortable or even offended them -- especially women. This was not a choice: I didn't understand the problem enough to know which choices there were.

    Sometimes I lost my temper because I didn't have the social skills to avoid it. Some people could cope with this; others were hurt. I apologize to each of them. Please direct your criticism at me, not at the Free Software Foundation.

    Occasionally I learned something about relationships and social skills, so over the years I've found ways to get better at these situations. When people help me understand an aspect of what went wrong, and that shows me a way of treating people better, I teach myself to recognize when I should act that way. I keep making this effort, and over time, I improve.

    Some have described me as being "tone-deaf", and that is fair. With my difficulty in understanding social cues, that tends to happen. For instance, I defended Professor Minsky on an M.I.T. mailing list after someone leaped to the conclusion that he was just guilty as Jeffrey Epstein. To my surprise, some thought my message defended Epstein. As I had stated previously, Epstein is a serial rapist, and rapists should be punished. I wish for his victims and those harmed by him to receive justice.

    False accusations -- real or imaginary, against me or against others -- especially anger me. I knew Minsky only distantly, but seeing him unjustly accused made me spring to his defense. I would have done it for anyone. Police brutality makes me angry, but when the cops lie about their victims afterwards, that false accusation is the ultimate outrage for me. I condemn racism and sexism, including their systemic forms, so when people say I don't, that hurts too.

    It was right for me to talk about the injustice to Minsky, but it was tone-deaf that I didn't acknowledge as context the injustice that Epstein did to women or the pain that caused.

    I've learned something from this about how to be kind to people who have been hurt. In the future, that will help me be kind to people in other situations, which is what I hope to do.
    OK – And now?
    • Is RMS moving to a position where, at some point in time, we can begin to consider forgiving him?

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    Default Re: Why do SUSE members blame Richard Stallman? Please post your personal opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by john_hudson View Post
    The issue was nothing to do with free speech but with unacceptable behaviour - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
    What unacceptable behaviour? Having an opinion, which he’s forced on no one, that some disagree with? Not subscribing to the ‘always believe the accuser, never the accused’ school of thought? Epstein can’t defend himself at all. He’s dead. Every SUSE member who criticised Stallman should state exactly what their objection is, rather than a vague, ‘don’t blame the victim’ mantra. Disgraceful.

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    Default Re: Why do SUSE members blame Richard Stallman? – RMS apology – 1st attempt …

    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    RMS has published an apology – <https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-address...ware-community>

    OK – And now?
    • Is RMS moving to a position where, at some point in time, we can begin to consider forgiving him?
    He needs no forgiveness from me.

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    Default Re: Why do SUSE members blame Richard Stallman? Please post your personal opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by desertfox View Post
    What unacceptable behaviour? Having an opinion, which he’s forced on no one, that some disagree with? Not subscribing to the ‘always believe the accuser, never the accused’ school of thought? Epstein can’t defend himself at all. He’s dead. Every SUSE member who criticised Stallman should state exactly what their objection is, rather than a vague, ‘don’t blame the victim’ mantra. Disgraceful.
    For me this nicely sums up what is unacceptable about RMS behavior:
    http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2019/10/15/fsf-rms.html
    In short you shouldn't make such public statements when you are a leader of any kind. It's simply bad and harms the brand you work for (in this case FSF, which most of us care about).
    Best regards,
    Greg

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