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    Quote Originally Posted by vrobo View Post
    so it really looks like a corporate thing.
    Or, a business decision …
    • Remembering that, business / trade in general is a means to survive, in monetary terms …
    • Business ethics do play a role but, the overriding concern is, that the business as such should provide a positive financial balance …

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_hudson View Post
    The issue was nothing to do with free speech but with unacceptable behaviour - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
    That one statement quoted in the Wikipedia article about age not a significant factor in an assault is very wrong.
    Civilized society depends on protecting its minors who are deemed unable to be mature enough to make decisions on their own.
    I don't know if there is any relevant context, but that by itself can potentially be a life changing statement and likely needs a full retraction and apology with specificity... Not a general apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsu2 View Post
    Civilized society depends on protecting its minors who are deemed unable to be mature enough to make decisions on their own.
    But, if the younger generation isn't exposed to the “evil things on this planet”, how will they gather the experience needed to progress human endeavours on this planet?
    • Parents have a choice – either the original text of Grimm's stories is read to the children or, a “politically correct” version of the stories …

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    Agreed, but –
    • My personal view is, currently, tolerance seems to be deemed to be unfashionable – There are very few reports of human error being admitted and, forgiven …

    The current fashion seems to be – “Only perfection is acceptable.” – Human frailty seems to be regarded as being a weakness …
    I beg to differ: see https://www.theforgivenessproject.com/. Rather in my experience the issue is unwillingness to acknowledge wrong-doing. I know more people prepared to forgive than people prepared to acknowledge their weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    But, if the younger generation isn't exposed to the “evil things on this planet”, how will they gather the experience needed to progress human endeavours on this planet?
    • Parents have a choice – either the original text of Grimm's stories is read to the children or, a “politically correct” version of the stories …
    This isn't about gaining experience.
    Societies recognize that there are things that only adults are deemed to have sufficient capability to make decisions.
    When society sets a threshold for when children become adults, only then they are left to whatever forces might happen.
    But until children reach that threshold, they are not expected to have the facility to handle themselves and make educated decisions.
    More advanced society will do everything possible to shelter its children until they are sufficiently prepared for anything that might happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_hudson View Post
    Rather in my experience the issue is unwillingness to acknowledge wrong-doing.
    Couldn't agree more – this is possibly the main issue with RMS – and, how on earth can we persuade him to move to a position where we can forgive him?

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    Isn't it forbidden to discuss political issues on this forums? I don't mind really as it's interesting but I was wondering if this thread doesn't break some code of conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glistwan View Post
    Isn't it forbidden to discuss political issues on this forums?
    Yes but I think the issue from the beginning has not been political but ethical - initially a question about the ethics of members of the SUSE community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    The current fashion seems to be – “Only perfection is acceptable.” …
    I'm very worried about these people trying to write the new fashistionable bible of what and who is acceptable.
    I find this very sad, but after all a distro is nothing more than the philosophy -ergo the people- behind it.
    When you start to doubt on these people and their philosophy, it is the right time to move.

    That said, I'm a big fan of RMS, I do like his face, his ideals, and I'm very grateful for what he has accomplished for all of us.
    I foresee even darker times are coming as soon as Stallman and Torwalds will be put apart for any "ethical" reason or other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauro.marghe View Post
    I'm very worried about these people trying to write the new fashistionable bible of what and who is acceptable.
    I find this very sad, but after all a distro is nothing more than the philosophy -ergo the people- behind it.
    When you start to doubt on these people and their philosophy, it is the right time to move.

    That said, I'm a big fan of RMS, I do like his face, his ideals, and I'm very grateful for what he has accomplished for all of us.
    I foresee even darker times are coming as soon as Stallman and Torwalds will be put apart for any "ethical" reason or other reasons.
    What do you mean? What is ethically acceptable is changing all the time and usually for the better. For example it used to be ethical to burn witches some time ago and fortunately now it is not. These ethical changes are changing the world for the better most of the time. You can read about it in "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined".
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