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    Default Re: You can't install from the live isos, Better use the installation iso.

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    That was a Tumbleweed install, using
    Code:
    openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-x86_64-Snapshot20191030-Media.iso
    All installers have their quirks. I'm used to the openSUSE installs, so they usually go well for me. I'm more likely to trip up with a fedora install or a debian install, since I only rarely do those.
    @nrickert:

    Interesting that my iso file did not have a date, just an underscore and a number . . . .

    So OK, let's go with your view that somehow I botched the install . . . always possible when working with open source materials . . . . How do you explain the part where the installer rebooted the system in a multi-boot/multi-HD environment, found itself, I logged in to the basic IW GUI . . . fiddled around with it, sync'd FF . . . then used Yast to add the MATE pattern, logged out, logged back in to MATE . . . did something else, then shut down the computer . . . .

    And then on cold boot Grub menu, selecting the TW option brings nothing but black screen, "kernel panic" . . . and trying the various "recovery" and "boot from HD" all basically end with a freeze in the dmesg or tty environment??? If I look in GParted in another OS I can see that the TW system is "there" . . . and it shows up in Grub as a line item with a kernel, but on basic launch from Grub it says something like "you have to load the kernel first" . . . ??????

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    Default Re: You can't install from the live isos, Better use the installation iso.

    Quote Originally Posted by non_space View Post
    Interesting that my iso file did not have a date, just an underscore and a number . . . .
    Yes, I noticed your mention of "openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-x86_6417"

    Where are you getting your iso files? I am getting them from
    Code:
    http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso/
    which, as far as I know, is the official download site.

    Maybe you are using isos that have not passed openQA testing. And you should expect problems with those.

    I should add that I normally use "ext4" rather than "btrfs". And I don't have "nvidia" graphics. I'm not trying to pick an argument. I was just describing my different experience.

    . . . and it shows up in Grub as a line item with a kernel, but on basic launch from Grub it says something like "you have to load the kernel first" . . . ??????
    I cannot tell from your description. You will sometimes see that happen if secure-boot is enabled but you try to load the kernel with "linux" rather than with "linuxefi".
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    Default Re: You can't install from the live isos, Better use the installation iso.

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    Yes, I noticed your mention of "openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-x86_6417"

    Where are you getting your iso files? I am getting them from
    Code:
    http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso/
    which, as far as I know, is the official download site.

    Maybe you are using isos that have not passed openQA testing. And you should expect problems with those.

    I should add that I normally use "ext4" rather than "btrfs". And I don't have "nvidia" graphics. I'm not trying to pick an argument. I was just describing my different experience.

    I cannot tell from your description. You will sometimes see that happen if secure-boot is enabled but you try to load the kernel with "linux" rather than with "linuxefi".
    @nrickert:

    I got mine from an official looking OpenSuse download page . . . .https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/tumbleweed

    But that doesn't look like your "dailies" type page . . . the checksum numbers matched, live version booted up and ran fine . . . trying to boot from GUI Grub pages, not console command line . . . .

    Also use ext4 . . . and followed mrmazda/tsu2 advice to not load nvidia or even nouveau with basic GUI install selected . . . all seemed to go well until cold boot, then multiple attempts to try to repair and or rescue have not revived what was a "working" install . . . .

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    Default Re: You can't install from the live isos, Better use the installation iso.

    Quote Originally Posted by non_space View Post
    I got mine from an official looking OpenSuse download page . . . .https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/tumbleweed
    That should be okay, as far as I know. But that's an html web page. The links to iso all seem to have names ending in "Current.iso". I didn't see anything with the numbered links, though I do see those names in the sha256 files for live media.

    I'm guessing that you are mainly having problems because of nvidia graphics. I have only Intel graphics, which seems to cause fewer issues.
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    Default Re: You can't install from the live isos, Better use the installation iso.

    A note on installing from a live iso.

    I just had a good install with openSUSE-Tumbleweed-KDE-Live-x86_64-Snapshot20191104-Media.iso

    Well, more correctly, I had a bad install. I then followed the suggestion of arvidjaar (in the bug report), and tried again. But this time I use the command
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    systemctl stop nscd.service
    before starting the install. And that seemed to do the trick.
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    Default Re: You can't install from the live isos, Better use the installation iso.

    Quote Originally Posted by non_space View Post
    @nrickert:

    I got mine from an official looking OpenSuse download page . . . .https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/tumbleweed

    But that doesn't look like your "dailies" type page . . . the checksum numbers matched, live version booted up and ran fine . . . trying to boot from GUI Grub pages, not console command line . . . .

    Also use ext4 . . . and followed mrmazda/tsu2 advice to not load nvidia or even nouveau with basic GUI install selected . . . all seemed to go well until cold boot, then multiple attempts to try to repair and or rescue have not revived what was a "working" install . . . .
    There is no such thing as a dailies page. If you look at the URLs for the download buttons, none of them refers to such an odd numbered iso. The links are pointing to exactly the same files as the direct download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso ones. No other way than that you saved the file under some other name. Absolutely no other way.

    If you have an NVIDIA card, it's outright wrong to force unloading both NVIDIA and nouveau. A proper running system incl. desktop needs either one. Mind the word 'proper'.

    I have no idea what happens with your installs, but you have too many issues compared to my own experiences ( dozens of 15.0, dozens of 15.1, dozens of TW ), and those of others. With what you are reporting here, the isos would never have gotten through passing openQA and hence never have been released.

    And re the filesystem: If you would follow the defaults for once, you'd end up with btrfs and have the option to rollback to a previous btrfs snapshot in case things go wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    There is no such thing as a dailies page. If you look at the URLs for the download buttons, none of them refers to such an odd numbered iso. The links are pointing to exactly the same files as the direct download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso ones. No other way than that you saved the file under some other name. Absolutely no other way.

    If you have an NVIDIA card, it's outright wrong to force unloading both NVIDIA and nouveau. A proper running system incl. desktop needs either one. Mind the word 'proper'.

    I have no idea what happens with your installs, but you have too many issues compared to my own experiences ( dozens of 15.0, dozens of 15.1, dozens of TW ), and those of others. With what you are reporting here, the isos would never have gotten through passing openQA and hence never have been released.

    And re the filesystem: If you would follow the defaults for once, you'd end up with btrfs and have the option to rollback to a previous btrfs snapshot in case things go wrong.
    @Knurpht:

    OK, I figured that there wouldn't be "dailies" in OpenSUSE . . . but I realize now that I got the file name from the usb flash drive installer that was mounted in another system desktop . . . and possibly it was the name created by mkusb . . . after the iso was cloned over to the flash drive. So that might explain the differences in the file names, I just haven't rebooted back into the partition where I downloaded the TW dvd installer to see but like I said, it was from the opensuse page I linked, checksum checks out, etc.

    So, obviously there is a "non-alignment" of views here in the forum about how to install a system . . . as previously in one of my Opensuse installs I was having problems with getting "suspend" to work, and at that time I was using nouveau, and the recommend was to add nvidia repos. Then in the recent perhaps 15.2 it was suggested that nvidia drivers weren't up to date, in the move from 15.1 to .2 . . . so I tried to remove nvidia via Yast and it sort of didn't go well . . . .

    Then it was suggested that going with "nomodeset" would get around the problems of upgrading and nvidia . . . so I didn't "force" anything, I just made the choice for "basic" GUI, and then I declined the "nouveau" option, as was suggested previously to try to get the default video driver set up, etc.

    Point being, after the last attempt, it went "well" and it "worked" up until the cold boot . . . so my assessment is that at some point the install had gone fine, but quickly "disintegrated" . . . . I'm competent with running installs, but then figuring out how to diagnose the pathway to that disintegration . . . ???

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    Default Re: You can't install from the live isos, Better use the installation iso.

    Quote Originally Posted by non_space View Post
    @Knurpht:

    OK, I figured that there wouldn't be "dailies" in OpenSUSE . . . but I realize now that I got the file name from the usb flash drive installer that was mounted in another system desktop . . . and possibly it was the name created by mkusb . . . after the iso was cloned over to the flash drive.
    That sounds more plausible.

    When I look inside the sha256 checksum file
    Code:
    openSUSE-Tumbleweed-KDE-Live-x86_64-Snapshot20191104-Media.iso.sha256
    it reports the checksum as for:
    Code:
    openSUSE-Tumbleweed-KDE-Live.x86_64-2.8.0-Build116.17.iso
    Those names, with a "Build" number, are what I see elsewhere, such as at openQA.
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    @nrickert:

    The checksums matched from where I downloaded the file . . . .

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    I think, it is a simple matter. Just use the live isos to have a look how OpenSuse works, but use the installer iso to install. This is mentioned specifically. The installer iso installs what you want without fail.

    (Ah, btw, Manjaro or Ubuntu or other live isos are of no interest here, as they won't install OpenSuse. )

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