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    Default New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    Folks:

    Just did a fresh install of LEAP 15. 1 yesterday, and all went well, was having an issue with not being able to get into my twitter account in GNOME DE, so I added MATE via Yast Patterns and on reboot I can log into MATE DE, but there is no top or bottom control panels?? Tried to run a zypper ref && dup, but "nothing to do" . . . how would I get to something that will add panels into MATE? Back in GNOME session right now . . . but I do like MATE as my preferred DE . . . ???

    I had the installer "use previous profile" for my install yesterday, and my preferred desktop background is loaded in MATE, but . . . no panels??

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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    In one of my test VMs, I installed MATE by itself instead of adding to another Desktop, I didn't see anything obviously amiss...

    By top or bottom panels, you're talking about across the top or bottom of the screen?
    Should be across the bottom by default... and an application launcher button to the far left of the panel.

    Try rt-clicking in an empty speace on your Desktop, what are your options?

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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    Quote Originally Posted by tsu2 View Post
    In one of my test VMs, I installed MATE by itself instead of adding to another Desktop, I didn't see anything obviously amiss...

    By top or bottom panels, you're talking about across the top or bottom of the screen?
    Should be across the bottom by default... and an application launcher button to the far left of the panel.

    Try rt-clicking in an empty speace on your Desktop, what are your options?

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    @tsu2:

    Thanks for the reply . . . how did you get a "MATE by itself" install? In my installer I had the choice of Plasma or GNOME . . . which I would have wanted just MATE, but went with GNOME, which I thought MATE is "based on GNOME" so there wouldn't be so many overlaps . . . or issues when adding MATE.

    Anyway, MATE should have the drop down application launcher menu from the upper edge of the screen and a "dock-like" panel across the bottom . . . neither of which are showing up in my MATE session. I did right click on the desktop and from memory it gives a couple of options, "create new folder" "create launcher" . . . but I didn't know what I'd want to "launch" to help get me back into the "tool bar" . . . I tried mousing up against the edge(s) to see if a bar would show up . . . nuttin' . . . .

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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    Quote Originally Posted by non_space View Post
    @tsu2:

    Thanks for the reply . . . how did you get a "MATE by itself" install? In my installer I had the choice of Plasma or GNOME . . . which I would have wanted just MATE, but went with GNOME, which I thought MATE is "based on GNOME" so there wouldn't be so many overlaps . . . or issues when adding MATE.

    Anyway, MATE should have the drop down application launcher menu from the upper edge of the screen and a "dock-like" panel across the bottom . . . neither of which are showing up in my MATE session. I did right click on the desktop and from memory it gives a couple of options, "create new folder" "create launcher" . . . but I didn't know what I'd want to "launch" to help get me back into the "tool bar" . . . I tried mousing up against the edge(s) to see if a bar would show up . . . nuttin' . . . .

    Yes,, it was a relatively late change in the new installer for 15.1 that I criticized repeatedly with no effect... It's not obvious how to install Mate or any other Desktop that's not Gnome or KDE/Plasma as your first (and perhaps only) Desktop... And in truth, installing as the original Desktop is the only way to ensure everything is installed exactly as the Maintainers for that Desktop intend. Whenever you add a Desktop after install, some things like the Window Manager don't change and are used across all your Desktops unless you manually switch.

    If this is a brand new install and Mate is the only Desktop you're interested in, you may want to re-install with the following instructions...

    Although it's impossible to expect any new User to divine the steps to installing a Desktop other than Gnome or KDE/Plasma, I describe this fully in my presentation slide deck on openSUSE, which walks you through the installation process, first tasks after install, how to find help and more.

    https://slides.com/tonysu/opensuse#/

    Here are the following non-default choices that should be made (after the first which is default but you should verify)

    - The 15.1 install will offer to use online sources if a network connection is detected. Accept this default offer so that your installation choices will be far greater than what can fit on your DVD.
    https://slides.com/tonysu/opensuse#/5
    - When you see the screen where you choose your Desktop, choose the Generic Desktop, that adds only basic X11 packages and nothing more for the moment. This is the screenshot in my slide deck...
    https://slides.com/tonysu/opensuse#/6
    - Continue the Installation, setting your choices until you reach the Installation Settings screen (Summary)
    https://slides.com/tonysu/opensuse#/10
    - In the above screen click on "Software" and the following should display. You should see the MATE Desktop pattern in the Graphical Environments category, just as you see in the screenshot in the slide.
    https://slides.com/tonysu/opensuse#/12
    - For those who are more adventuresome and want to install only a WM and not a Full Desktop, you can either skip the above step selecting a DE pattern to run IceWM or if you want to run something else like Fluxbox, FVWM2, Openbox or something else, you can click on the "Details" button and browse the RPM groups or search for what you want. Why install only a WM and not a DE? -- Because you'd have the nearly exact same extreme minimal resource usage of a text-only system but able to have a graphical environment to run things like Firefox. The main difference betwenn a WM only and a text only system is that some people believe simply running a graphical environment of any type increase the attack surface becoming more vulnerable to malicious hacks.

    Otherwise, at this point simply start clicking "OK" accepting your selections and eventually proceeding to the actual installation.

    The odd thing is that the 15.1 installation in Beta didn't have this problem until approximately 2 mths before launch, then someone made the decision to make this change.

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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    Quote Originally Posted by tsu2 View Post

    Yes,, it was a relatively late change in the new installer for 15.1 that I criticized repeatedly with no effect... It's not obvious how to install Mate or any other Desktop that's not Gnome or KDE/Plasma as your first (and perhaps only) Desktop... And in truth, installing as the original Desktop is the only way to ensure everything is installed exactly as the Maintainers for that Desktop intend. Whenever you add a Desktop after install, some things like the Window Manager don't change and are used across all your Desktops unless you manually switch.

    If this is a brand new install and Mate is the only Desktop you're interested in, you may want to re-install with the following instructions...


    The odd thing is that the 15.1 installation in Beta didn't have this problem until approximately 2 mths before launch, then someone made the decision to make this change.

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    @tsu2:

    Thanks for those great details, I might have gone through something similar to this idea of getting other DE options in a previous install of some system, but I haven't done it enough times to know to pick the "generic desktop" option over the Plasma or GNOME options . . . but many thanks for the detailed response. It does seem like the WM is bringing the GNOME concepts over to MATE now . . . from what you are saying it wouldn't be "easy" to fix that, and it does appear that the MATE DE is "broken" . . . .

    Other thing to increase the "odd thing" is that my installer is still a 15.1 "beta" version, which I just ran it . . . connected to ethernet and did pick the "online sources" option . . . but then I didn't know to just pick "generic" . . . . Anyway, it's not that GNOME is not "OK" . . . but, I do like MATE . . . I'll probably run the install again in a day or so . . . ??!!

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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    @tsu2, et al:

    Just had another thought, could I try to log into ICEWM or another session from MATE or GNOME and then use Yast to try to remove GNOME, would that allow MATE to "re-assess" itself and bring it into the frame for WM adjustments?? Or, nope, once GNOME is set as the WM operator that would be the decision until a fresh install?

    Or could I run "zypper rm gnome"??? and then try to run "zypper install mate" and see if it pulls any new packages?? Any of that worth trying before running a fresh install, and adding the nvidia stuff, and the b43 legacy modules . . . ????

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    Since the updates yesterday - every MATE desktop is broken upon rebooting!!!!!

    mate-panel gives the following error

    Code:
    user@John:~/Desktop> mate-panel --reset
    mate-panel: symbol lookup error: mate-panel: undefined symbol: matemenu_tree_unref
    no issue until you reboot - then you are stuck - you can get a terminal on the desktop by right-clicking and it will open a terminal in the user's Desktop and you can go from there

    Virtual images from Friday night do not have an issue. All the have updated do.
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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    Quote Originally Posted by larryr View Post
    Since the updates yesterday - every MATE desktop is broken upon rebooting!!!!!

    mate-panel gives the following error

    Code:
    user@John:~/Desktop> mate-panel --reset
    mate-panel: symbol lookup error: mate-panel: undefined symbol: matemenu_tree_unref
    no issue until you reboot - then you are stuck - you can get a terminal on the desktop by right-clicking and it will open a terminal in the user's Desktop and you can go from there

    Virtual images from Friday night do not have an issue. All the have updated do.
    @larryr:

    Drats!! Darn those MATE guyz!! That seems to fit the timeline, I think I did the fresh install on Friday and then I added the MATE DE on Saturday, and it came up broke . . . ????

    I'm booted up in my desktop computer right now in U-MATE 19.04, which I haven't updated for a few days . . . I guess I should wait, or try it and see if it breaks too?? But, I'll check out your commands in the laptop in a minute, I don't recall seeing a "desktop terminal" option when I right-clicked on the desktop yesterday, but I guess there is always a TTY to try it out on??

    At least if this is a "systemic" issue the MATE guyz are prolly working overtime to fix the problems and should be "fixable"??

    n_s

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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    I think it is an OpenSUSE MATE issue - I no longer use any other distributions - I think I saw some mate updates Friday or Saturday. Luckily the remote logs for computer 4 are still in the buffer.


    The following 3 packages are going to be upgraded:
    libmate-menu2 mate-menus mate-menus-lang

    3 packages to upgrade.

    (1/3) Installing: libmate-menu2-1.20.0-lp151.3.5.1.x86_64 ................[done]
    (2/3) Installing: mate-menus-1.20.0-lp151.3.5.1.x86_64 ...................[done]
    (3/3) Installing: mate-menus-lang-1.20.0-lp151.3.5.1.noarch ..............[done]

    One of these might be the problem - these installed Friday night.

    I'm going to download the previous versions and see it that is the cause.
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    Default Re: New GNOME install, added MATE but it has no top panels to open apps with?

    @larryr:

    Tried to right-click on the MATE session desktop and nope, no "desktop terminal" in the drop down menu . . . whereas back over here in the U-MATE in the desktop, there is.

    Also, tried to log into a TTY in the Leap MATE session and all I got was a black window in F1 . . . F2 brings the GUI back and all the rest of the F keys bring a black window . . . so I'm "stuck" in the MATE "box" until I hit the power button to get out of it . . . ??

    Seems like a "substantial" MATE breakage . . . .

    n_s

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