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    Default Fonts in KDE Tumbleweed

    I'm not satisfied with the fonts in my KDE Tumbleweed installation. The standard fonts are very "lightish" They lack "body" Does anybody has tips on how to get nicer fonts in i.e. firefox, the terminal (konsole). Informational links are also very welcome. I guess I'm spoiled by distros like Fedora Gnome and Manjaro. I like Tumbleweed. KDE runs very well.
    Thanks in advance for any help.

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    You can install additional fonts (use Yast Software Management and search for "font"). And most applications allow you to configure which fonts to use.

    This really has to do with personal taste. I'm okay with the defaults.
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    Default Re: Fonts in KDE Tumbleweed

    Quote Originally Posted by terpentijn View Post
    how to get nicer fonts in i.e. firefox
    Desktop settings > appearance > fonts > anti-aliasing > configure > hinting style is likely where you want to make your first change.
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    You probably want to enable subpixel rendering. This thread might be helpful.

    https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...22#post2887822

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankyU2 View Post
    You probably want to enable subpixel rendering. This thread might be helpful.

    https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...22#post2887822
    Thanks for the link, but this was the first thing I did before asking the question

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    You can install additional fonts (use Yast Software Management and search for "font"). And most applications allow you to configure which fonts to use.

    This really has to do with personal taste. I'm okay with the defaults.
    Yes, I know it's a matter of personal taste. The fonts rendering with anti aliasing is fine. It's the fonts themselves I don't really like. That is why I asked if anybody had tips. It's also a KDE thing, because the fonts in Gnome always look better (I know, it's personal).

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    If you already have a folder of favorite/most used TrueType/OpenType fonts on other machines, just use a file manager with root privileges and throw them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/.
    Logout+Login if your new fonts aren’t selectable right away.

    I’ve experimented a bit with prepackacked, freely available fonts; currently installed:
    Code:
    ▶ rpm -qa | grep -i font
    google-noto-fonts-doc-20170919-lp150.2.1.noarch
    efont-unicode-bitmap-fonts-0.4.2-lp150.1.7.noarch
    hack-fonts-3.003-lp150.1.1.noarch
    gnu-unifont-bitmap-fonts-10.0.07-lp150.1.1.noarch
    google-droid-fonts-20121204-lp150.1.7.noarch
    dejavu-fonts-2.37-lp150.1.8.noarch
    liberation-fonts-1.07.4-lp150.2.1.noarch
    adobe-sourcecodepro-fonts-2.030-lp150.1.8.noarch
    intlfonts-euro-bitmap-fonts-1.2.1-lp150.1.7.noarch
    ghostscript-fonts-other-9.06-lp150.4.3.noarch
    stix-fonts-1.1.0-lp150.1.4.noarch
    adobe-sourceserifpro-fonts-2.000-lp150.1.1.noarch
    noto-coloremoji-fonts-20170919-lp150.2.1.noarch
    noto-sans-fonts-20170919-lp150.2.1.noarch
    adobe-sourcesanspro-fonts-2.020-lp150.1.4.noarch
    cantarell-fonts-0.0.25-lp150.1.8.noarch
    ghostscript-fonts-std-9.06-lp150.4.3.noarch
    noto-emoji-fonts-20170919-lp150.2.1.noarch
    google-carlito-fonts-1.1.03.beta1-lp150.1.7.noarch
    google-roboto-fonts-20161103.2.135-lp150.1.8.noarch
    xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.6-lp150.2.1.noarch
    Yet, after every fresh install of openSUSE, I found myself using the fonts I’ve had on my Macs all along, including the Google and Microsoft web/core fonts. (Some other TTFs go as far back into the 1990s, I remember using them with my Atari ST with NVDI and Magic!/MagicMac.)

    Most of the time I am using Helvetica Neue for just about everything in my GUI, and Menlo for uniproportional work (console work, coding, viewing source code and logs):
    Code:
    ▶ l /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Menlo*
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2144600 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Menlo.ttc
    ▶ l /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Helv*
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 503224 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-BoldItalic.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 465728 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-Bold.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 159164 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-CondensedBlack.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 157224 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-CondensedBold.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 499644 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-Italic.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 214364 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-LightItalic.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 213140 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-Light.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 154608 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-MediumItalic.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189164 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-Medium.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 460500 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 174504 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-ThinItalic.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 201632 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-Thin.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 220132 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-UltraLightItalic.otf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 214380 2017-08-04 20:22 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/HelveticaNeue-UltraLight.otf
    I’ve also used the Infinality packages for a long time, but this seems to be no longer necessary as the newest FreeType packages seem to have subpixel-hinting activated; they also seem to be able to render Fonts a bit bolder and more rounded, as they would appear on paper or in macOS, not meager/craggly/anemic like Microsoft’s ClearType (subjective and a matter of taste, I know).

    My test case for fonts is always how my main web browser SeaMonkey looks:



    The font in the address bar is Menlo Bold 12pt, as specified in ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/m4f9qm8p.default/chrome/userChrome.css:
    Code:
    @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");
    
    #urlbar {
            height: 24px !important;
            margin: 0 !important; 
            padding: 0 !important; 
            font-family: Menlo !important; 
            font-size: 12pt !important; 
            font-weight: bold !important; 
    }
    Nice to be able to have everything exactly to one’s liking. Cheers!

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    Thanks for the help and advice. I will take some time to play with different fonts. Everything is configurable in KDE, so I'm sure it will work out fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by terpentijn View Post
    Yes, I know it's a matter of personal taste. The fonts rendering with anti aliasing is fine. It's the fonts themselves I don't really like. That is why I asked if anybody had tips. It's also a KDE thing, because the fonts in Gnome always look better (I know, it's personal).
    Long time openSUSE+KDE user here. I booted Ubuntu a few weeks back and opened Gnome-Terminal. First thing I said was, that's a nice terminal font! It was easier to read than my kde konsole, I felt like.

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    terpentijn, if you will, I'd like your opinion on how your fonts on TW compare to fonts on one of my 15.0 installations. Here is the URL I made the screenshot from:
    http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html
    The original 2360k png image:
    http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fnt/font-samp...x-4480-108.png
    An 860k jpg made from the png using convert with 30% quality:
    http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fnt/font-samp...x-4480-108.jpg
    From where I sit, font quality using openSUSE of all the font families that I find "acceptable" are always good, as long as they are big enough, and the display's dot pitch is tight enough. Examples of those I don't find acceptable include Verdana, Courier, and most of the demi weight and obese fonts that have become common favorites of web stylists with little or no understanding of legibility or the informational purposes of the web.

    I tried to PM or email this to you, but my PMs from here are being blocked, and I had no luck finding an email address.
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