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    Question System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Since a month or so my Tumbleweed laptop does system updates only through zypper dup.
    The KDE update applet shows 'Use zypper dup to update' instead of the update button.

    So I update in the terminal with zypper dup succesfully - but the next time updates are available It is the same 'Use zypper dup to update'

    What should I do to get back to normal?
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    Default Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebulon888 View Post
    Since a month or so my Tumbleweed laptop does system updates only through zypper dup.
    That's the correct way to update Tumbleweed.

    The KDE update applet shows 'Use zypper dup to update' instead of the update button.
    It is giving you a very big hint.

    What should I do to get back to normal?
    What you are seeing, is the new normal.
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    Exclamation Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    That's the correct way to update Tumbleweed.


    It is giving you a very big hint.


    What you are seeing, is the new normal.

    Really? Is this the new technological progress - forcing GUI users back to the command line?
    How long from now will it take that we are forced to write office documents in in Vi?
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    Default Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebulon888 View Post
    Really? Is this the new technological progress - forcing GUI users back to the command line?
    Only for updating. The update applet never worked on Tumbleweed. It gave users a false sense of security. But Tumbleweed is a rolling distribution, so every update is really an upgrade. And the update-applet was never designed for that.

    How long from now will it take to write office documents in in Vi?
    Using "vi" together with "latex" can get you a long way. But nobody is going to force you to go to the command line for everything. Again, it's only the updating that needs to be done at the command line.
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    Default Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    Only for updating. The update applet never worked on Tumbleweed. It gave users a false sense of security. But Tumbleweed is a rolling distribution, so every update is really an upgrade. And the update-applet was never designed for that.



    Using "vi" together with "latex" can get you a long way. But nobody is going to force you to go to the command line for everything. Again, it's only the updating that needs to be done at the command line.
    Thanks for sending answers. The 'vi' command was a sarcastic one -sorry.
    I never knew that you should not use the update applet. Havn't read or heard that anywhere before. And updating with the KDE applet worked for me for as long as I have tumbleweed (2 years or so).
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    Default Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebulon888 View Post
    Thanks for sending answers. The 'vi' command was a sarcastic one -sorry.
    I never knew that you should not use the update applet. Havn't read or heard that anywhere before.
    It's been the subject of numerous threads and here...

    https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
    To keep Tumbleweed updated to the latest snapshot, run the following command as root (ideally inside a screen or tmux session):

    zypper dup
    And updating with the KDE applet worked for me for as long as I have tumbleweed (2 years or so).
    That is just good luck. It can result in a broken operating system. To keep it rolling-along in sync with the TW repos, one must do a package upgrade.
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    Default Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    You can also use Yast if you do not want to use zypper edit the file in etc / zypp / zypper.conf, or use apt, it also works on opensuse, it will be for Debian based nostalgics
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    Default Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebulon888 View Post
    Really? Is this the new technological progress - forcing GUI users back to the command line?
    How long from now will it take that we are forced to write office documents in in Vi?
    This has been the case for TW, since it is NOT an update. Each version of TW is an Upgrade from a Previous Version to a New Version (read the release notes and other TW docs). Version Upgrades are only done using zypper dup, whether going from 42.3 to 15.0, or going from TW version A to TW version B ... unless you use the actual installer, instead.

    All that has really changed is that the team(s) are trying to make that Clearer to TW users that they must use zypper dup, since so many have been running into problems by not following this procedure.

    And, regarding "forcing GUI users back to the command line", it is made plain up front that TW is for the experienced and the brave, those wishing to be on the leading edge (or, precipice, if you will). This would naturally imply that you should expect some command line activity in your TW experiences, even if you did not bother to read the Release Notes or the Documentation.
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    according to this link it should be:

    Code:
    zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change
    I wonder why everyone still spreading the "zypper dup" way of life on TW.
    Is it because we take for granted that nobody install pacman to have at least some extra codecs (just tried a fresh install of tw and doesn't let see videos on my favorite porn website, including html5 based ones).
    If someone doesn't install codec/pacman would it be so bad to keep upgrading/updating with zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change ??
    Want it (and I guess many reall do, there's so much praise on the web) or not tumbleweed is gaining popularity among non-experienced Linux users, I guess because of both the rolling model and the availability of newer packages (I really think no desktop user would want to Leap with a so much outdated version of Gnome/KDE/whatever).

    That lwn link above is the first result of googling "how keep tumbleweed update"!!
    Third result is from the official TW portal/webpage and still suggests zypper dup

    Now a confession: sorry if I sound polemical, I just want to sound sharp because I'm a representative of the average dumb desktop user out there, which as that TW page says is not the target for such an OS but he/she/it will keep installing and using it because of many obvious reasons, in particular: the only way to experience OpenSUSE and a full btrfs experience without ""obsolete"" packages and because it's adoption is encouraged, want it or not! :)

    PS: and I guess it's to educate people to refer to it as a distro upgrade rather than an update, but until you become accustomed and devoted to your TW installation I guess it's normal for people to address it, in general terms, as updating process, because imho, in general terms, it is!

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    Default Re: System Updates only with 'zypper dup#

    Now
    --no-allow-vendor-change

    is the default in TW

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