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    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    Perhaps choose paid-for support with SLES instead?
    Well if you're going to go down this rather glib route, clearly a much more obvious answer is:

    Perhaps choose one of the many other free GNU/Linux distros that genuinely do provide LTS instead?
    ...which is presumably not the intent of the openSUSE project?

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    Default Re: openSUSE Leap 42.3 for Evergreen?

    On Wed 25 Jul 2018 05:06:03 PM CDT, flymail wrote:

    deano_ferrari;2875001 Wrote:
    > Perhaps choose paid-for support with SLES instead?


    Well if you're going to go down this rather glib route, clearly a much
    more obvious answer is:

    > Perhaps choose one of the many other free GNU/Linux distros that
    > genuinely do provide LTS instead?


    ....which is presumably not the intent of the openSUSE project?


    Hi
    Your decision, use what ever meets your needs.... As you can see I use
    SLES as my primary desktop of choice.... my wife uses SLED 12 SP3
    (soon to be SP4) so that makes it out to the end of next year before
    upgrading to 15.....

    Bottom line there is nothing stopping anyone from creating an
    evergreen/lts release, get together some like minded folks and propose
    to the Project mailing list.... the thing is openSUSE is a do-ocrity,
    someone can ask all they like (in some cases demand, but that will
    never work), but until they roll up their sleeves and get something
    moving.....<shrug>

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    On 2018-07-25, malcolmlewis <malcolmlewis@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    > Your decision, use what ever meets your needs....


    Agreed: the choice of distribution is one of the greatest benefits of the GNU/Linux environment.

    > Bottom line there is nothing stopping anyone from creating an
    > evergreen/lts release, get together some like minded folks and propose
    > to the Project mailing list....


    Good idea. However, since not a single response within this thread has been even mildly supportive of my suggestion, I
    suspect that the number of `like minded folks' would be too few for the endeavour to be worthwhile.

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    Default Re: openSUSE Leap 42.3 for Evergreen?

    On Wed 25 Jul 2018 06:21:43 PM CDT, flymail wrote:

    On 2018-07-25, malcolmlewis <malcolmlewis@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com>
    wrote:
    > Your decision, use what ever meets your needs....


    Agreed: the choice of distribution is one of the greatest benefits of
    the GNU/Linux environment.

    > Bottom line there is nothing stopping anyone from creating an
    > evergreen/lts release, get together some like minded folks and propose
    > to the Project mailing list....


    Good idea. However, since not a single response within this thread has
    been even mildly supportive of my suggestion, I suspect that the number
    of `like minded folks' would be too few for the endeavour to be
    worthwhile.
    Hi
    Yup, this is why Evergreen went it's way.... Maybe hit the Mailing
    lists or IRC?

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    Default Re: openSUSE Leap 42.3 for Evergreen?

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    Yup, this is why Evergreen went it's way.... Maybe hit the Mailing
    lists or IRC?
    Agreed... casting an idea to a wider audience.
    openSUSE Leap 15.0; KDE Plasma 5

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    @flymail.

    Reading this thread I get the idea that your idea of the audience you are talking to is quite different from the idea others that are the audience have about themselves.

    We here are just openSUSE users. We are not "the project", we are not the influential persons you seem to think we are. And when people here advise you to look at more long time stable distros when you think that none of the openSUSE/SLE solutions will fit your requirements, then that is serious and you should not criticize that. Most people here are glad when you find an OpenSource solution that you are happy with and will not force on you to be an unhappy openSUSE/SLE user.

    I was an Evergreen user (being more interested in things working the same for years to come) until it stopped. At that time I read the arguments, some of them were that the new way of releasing openSUSE in what we now call the Leap series more or less makes the effort to put into Evergreen pointless. I certainly have the idea that that is the true for a great deal, but that is only me.

    My idea is that when you still prefer a more Evergreen like release path, there are two ways. The first is that you take the initiative and try to gather the minimum amount of people and resources around yourself to give it a go. But you already announced that you do not have the skills and the time to do this. Which I can understand and others here also, because they lack the same.

    The other is to try and make others that have the skills and time enthusiastic about the idea. The forums here might be one of the places to try and do that. But as most here are just users, they lack the skills. And while most here seem to have some spare time to offer assistance in the forums most will lack the time (and guarantee to have that time for at least a few years to come). Thus I assume you should spread your search to other audiences.
    Henk van Velden

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    @hcvv

    Thanks for your detailed thoughts. Perhaps the reason behind my original post was poorly explained for which I
    apologise. I was not seeking to influence the project maintainers by this post. I was attempting to determine what the
    openSUSE community thought of my suggestion in the light of the schedule of Leap releases. I'm sure you'd agree there
    would be little point putting forward a proposal if there was no evidence of community support. It would appear from the
    responses that there is indeed no evidence of community support for my suggestion, so in this respect I have achieved
    the aim of the original post; what I did not expect was the storm in a teacup that ensued!


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    Default Re: openSUSE Leap 42.3 for Evergreen?

    @flymail: You know the openSUSE Project is open to any contributions. Even if you don't have the knowledge of packaging / developing / install building, you could still attempt to get it going. Subprojects like this require team work where organizational skills are required, get people together and start talking. Like Malcolm says, best places would be the opensuse-factory and opensuse-project mailing lists.

    But, please be aware of the fact that the original Evergreen maintainers didn't see much use in contiuation with the upgrading schedule en methods introduced with Leap, and the improved openQA testing, not just of the install, also of upgrade paths. Also other update/upgrade mechanisms are in full development, which are going to make updating/upgrading even easier, safer, better predictable. And, do also investigate your audience. You don't want to do all the work to end up with three downloads a year.
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