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    Default How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Hello everybody,

    After installing Tumbleweed, i used zypper up sometimes, instead of zypper dup. Now i'm worried if that can cause any problems in my machine in the future snapshots. There is anyway to evaluate if if did any damage by running this command, so i can reinstall before anything important is corrupted in my installation.

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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Quote Originally Posted by machadoprx View Post
    Hello everybody,
    Hi, welcome.

    You might think about providing us with a little more info ( Desktop, graphics card ), but the title already has the culprit in it, if you post here because of issues:

    On Tumbleweed, never use 'zypper up', use 'zypper dup' !!!!!!!

    So, before you start explaining, first run the appropriate command, reboot and be so kind to let us know the results.
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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Now i am aware that i must use "zypper dup".

    I have a Nvidia 920M with optimus support, with X11:Bumblebee repository enabled and using the proprietary driver.

    I installed tumbleweed 3 days ago and updated with "zypper up" a few times before knowing that i could not do it.

    Now i want to know if there is anyway to evaluate if my system is damaged by using "zypper up" command instead of "zypper dup"

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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Quote Originally Posted by machadoprx View Post
    Now i am aware that i must use "zypper dup".

    I have a Nvidia 920M with optimus support, with X11:Bumblebee repository enabled and using the proprietary driver.

    I installed tumbleweed 3 days ago and updated with "zypper up" a few times before knowing that i could not do it.

    Now i want to know if there is anyway to evaluate if my system is damaged by using "zypper up" command instead of "zypper dup"
    OK, that's something we can reply to. Why not 'up' instead of 'dup'?

    To understand, you need to know how Tw is built and released. The 'updates' are not really updates of just some packages that have a newer version, like in 'up', the whole Tw distro is released over and over again, after openQA testing, so downgrades, architecture changes etc may be included. 'dup' will precess these, 'up' won't.
    If you want to see proof of this, take a look at /etc/os-release and https://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso
    Evaluating what would be damaged? Run 'dup' after 'up' and see which packages 'dup' wants to change. Those are not the tested distro ones and might fail some day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    OK, that's something we can reply to. Why not 'up' instead of 'dup'?

    To understand, you need to know how Tw is built and released. The 'updates' are not really updates of just some packages that have a newer version, like in 'up', the whole Tw distro is released over and over again, after openQA testing, so downgrades, architecture changes etc may be included. 'dup' will precess these, 'up' won't.
    If you want to see proof of this, take a look at /etc/os-release and https://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso
    Evaluating what would be damaged? Run 'dup' after 'up' and see which packages 'dup' wants to change. Those are not the tested distro ones and might fail some day.
    So if i have no errors when running "zypper dup" my system is not corrupted?

    I remember running "zypper up" after the os installation, when the updated ended a post install message recommended me to run "zypper dup"

    So the latest snapshot is installed. But after some research i was worried that my unaware use of zypper broke anything on my installation, i created this topic

    because i could not find a way to check if my system has any inconsistency compared to the latest available snapshot.

    Thank you for your help

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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Quote Originally Posted by machadoprx View Post
    Now i am aware that i must use "zypper dup".

    I have a Nvidia 920M with optimus support, with X11:Bumblebee repository enabled and using the proprietary driver.

    I installed tumbleweed 3 days ago and updated with "zypper up" a few times before knowing that i could not do it.

    Now i want to know if there is anyway to evaluate if my system is damaged by using "zypper up" command instead of "zypper dup"
    Run ‘zypper dup’ and report back if you encounter package conflicts or dependency issues you’re not certain about.
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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Quote Originally Posted by machadoprx View Post
    So if i have no errors when running "zypper dup" my system is not corrupted?

    I remember running "zypper up" after the os installation, when the updated ended a post install message recommended me to run "zypper dup"
    Yes, you may find you get a ‘clean’ upgrade experience without any issues to resolve.
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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    Run ‘zypper dup’ and report back if you encounter package conflicts or dependency issues you’re not certain about.
    There is no package conflict or dependency issue, just the usual lock on nouveau package.

    So if there is nothing wrong in 'zypper dup' , my machine is fine?

    I moved from Arch, i understood how tumbleweed rolling release model works after running 'zypper up' a couple of times

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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Quote Originally Posted by machadoprx View Post
    So the latest snapshot is installed. But after some research i was worried that my unaware use of zypper broke anything on my installation, i created this topic

    because i could not find a way to check if my system has any inconsistency compared to the latest available snapshot.
    The following can be helpful with that (and —dry-run option useful for testing too)...
    Code:
    zypper ve
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    Default Re: How to evaluate the damaged of doing "zypper up" a few times?

    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    Yes, you may find you get a ‘clean’ upgrade experience without any issues to resolve.
    Ok, thanks for your time and help!

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