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    xen82a NNTP User

    Red face What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    Well I'm not gonna tell you what to dislike about OpenSUSE because I'm still trying to use it so tough luck with that.

    Or maybe I could say, don't bite the hand that feeds you, or don't insult the tool you're using ;-).


    Of course there are general things I dislike, coming from a ..... deb based environment.

    And I do think (older forum thread) OpenSUSE is somewhat stuck in the past but that's mostly the archaic RPM format I think.

    I don't know if it means "Red Hat Package Manager" but I also tried CentOS before installing OpenSUSE and that was NOT fun.

    I don't understand why THAT one is so popular, but anyway, that's offtopic I guess.

    Well the least fun experience of anything is when either SELinux or AppArmor frustrates your attempts to change configuration and you get weird, incomprehensible access denied errors when you were sure that you actually..... oh wait, I was not going to complain.

    Or when there is a log file called ..... but it is actually not in use, and I was not going to complain ;-).

    Personally I am not a great fan of "sysconfig" --> writing one configuration file in order to not have to write another.

    And then Apache being set to always not only use the sysconfig, but also to regenerate it when you delete it, WHILE keeping stale copies of those files behind in /etc/apache2/ just to confuse you.

    But anyway, OpenSUSE is "green" and green makes me happy.

    The Apache configuration is actually complete unlike CentOS where you have to write the shtml/var/error document configuration yourself even though the files exist.

    CentOS feels lean like shall-not-name but it is half-broken with barely any software available from the main repository, you have to hook onto Fedora, and then you're still required to constantly hunt for repos.

    And unlike Debian the apache configuration in OpenSUSE comes with sensible security defaults.

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    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    On 2018-06-08, xen82a <xen82a@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    > Well I'm not gonna tell you what to dislike about OpenSUSE because I'm
    > still trying to use it so tough luck with that.


    In which case, your subject text is very misleading. It is however more befitting of Soapbox.

    <SNIP>
    > Of course there are general things I dislike, coming from a ..... deb
    > based environment.


    I don't understand why. DEB and RPM package managers are just package managers. The choice of package management is
    trivial for most users.

    > And I do think (older forum thread) OpenSUSE is somewhat stuck in the
    > past but that's mostly the archaic RPM format I think.


    Well no. RPM format is still the standard package management for LSB (Linux Standard Base) and therefore the preferred
    method for Enterprise/Professional use.

    > I don't know if it means "Red Hat Package Manager" but I also tried
    > CentOS before installing OpenSUSE and that was NOT fun.


    The fact that they both use RPM has very little to do with the differences between the GNU/Linux distributions.

    <SNIP>
    > Personally I am not a great fan of "sysconfig" --> writing one
    > configuration file in order to not have to write another.


    Try YaST.

    <SNIP>
    > But anyway, OpenSUSE is "green" and green makes me happy.


    In this case, if you criticised the vile bile green I would agree with you! The openSUSE GRUB2 bootscreen is horrid but
    fortunately the default desktop is much more visually appealling iMO.

    > CentOS feels lean like shall-not-name but it is half-broken with barely any software available from the main
    > repository, you have to hook onto Fedora, and then you're still required to constantly hunt for repos.


    I suggest therefore you complain to the CentOS forum. While CentOS and openSUSE share RPM package management, they share
    very little else in common.

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    xen82a NNTP User

    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    Not sure why you respond with such hostility, I spoke in a reasonably pleasant mood.

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    The fact that they both use RPM has very little to do with the differences between the GNU/Linux distributions.
    Pointing out similarities was not intended as a way to point out differences.

    In this case, if you criticised the vile bile green I would agree with you! The openSUSE GRUB2 bootscreen is horrid but
    fortunately the default desktop is much more visually appealling iMO.
    I'm not using a desktop so I barely have to look at it .

    I become happy from the forums (well at least the green colours).

    I suggest therefore you complain to the CentOS forum. While CentOS and openSUSE share RPM package management, they share
    very little else in common.
    I was not fishing for recommendations, I merely wrote a colloquially reasonably happy message.

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    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    On 2018-06-08, xen82a <xen82a@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    > Not sure why you respond with such hostility, I spoke in a reasonably
    > pleasant mood.


    My response wasn't hostile, just brief.

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    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

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    Setting up apache is easy-peasy, when using YaST's http-server module. And, talking about archaic: it also works in an ncurses-version. So on a headless server, simply use
    Code:
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    xen82a NNTP User

    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    First
    And you don't think that....


    • complaining about a miss-spelled initial capital in agreement with English capitalisation of common names.....
    • complaining about the wrong (possibly) sub-sub-forum within the Community & Fun subforum......
    • complaining about a play with words that was intended (headine --> contents)
    • arguing whether or not the package manager is a defining characteristic or has a defining influence on a distribution
    • arguing whether or not the RPM format is "archaic" when it was created by and for Red Hat in 1997 but actually stems from 1993 in its inspirations and when some distributions have chosen to depart from the Linux Standard Base.....
    • arguing whether the package manager is relevant for users at all


    Is a bit petty? .

    And then basically telling someone to go to another forum (that of CentOS) is not hostile?

    .

    I would even consider that mean . Now I have to go to a place I don't like, in order to use software I don't want? I think that's really mean.

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    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    On 2018-06-08, Knurpht <Knurpht@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    > First
    > [image: https://i.imgur.com/VzyPY71.png]


    Yes, but do you _start_ a sentence with openSUSE? openSUSE just looks odd!

    Perhaps's it'd be best to drop the openSUSE bit altogether and just use Leap!

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    xen82a NNTP User

    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    On 2018-06-08, Knurpht <Knurpht@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    > First
    > [image: https://i.imgur.com/VzyPY71.png]


    Yes, but do you _start_ a sentence with openSUSE? openSUSE just looks odd!

    Perhaps's it'd be best to drop the openSUSE bit altogether and just use Leap!
    I find myself in agreement with this man.

    But leaping is perhaps not the best way to start flying, I don't know.

    That's why I prefer a little structure to start out from

    and that's OpenSUSE (of course many logos have lower caps but the official common name is still capitalized, so I just write English, although I would probably write openSuSE if I could, but that's also 'wrong', so I just go with English ----- but I'm not here to argue).

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    xen82a NNTP User

    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    I tend to think technical people often do not understand typography,

    and try to combine "logo" with "name" because they try to do everything in ASCII,

    and Mr. L. Poettering also gets mad when you write SystemD

    whereas systemd does not stand out from the text as a common name

    and is only written "systemd" because it is the name of a daemon.

    Which is like saying "Apache" is wrong because the daemon is httpd_prefork

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    Default Re: What to dislike about OpenSUSE

    On 2018-06-08, xen82a <xen82a@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    > And you don't think that....

    <SNIP>
    > Is a bit petty? .


    Of course! GNU/Linux users are pedants! This might be General Chit-Chat, but that's no reason to let up!

    > - complaining about a miss-spelled initial capital in agreement with
    > English capitalisation of common names.....


    You will find that `miss-spelled' is misspelt.

    > - complaining about the wrong (possibly) sub-sub-forum within the
    > Community & Fun subforum......


    It's a subforum, not a sub-sub-forum.

    > - complaining about a play with words that was intended (headine -->
    > contents)


    It's not a complaint, but an observation.

    > - arguing whether or not the package manager is a defining
    > characteristic or has a defining influence on a distribution


    These possibilities are not mutually exclusive so your choice of using `or' is unwarranted. Moreover, the usage of `or
    not' is a redundant tautology at the beginning of the sentence.

    > - arguing whether or not the RPM format is "archaic" when it was
    > created by and for Red Hat in 1997 but actually stems from 1993 in its
    > inspirations and when some distributions have chosen to depart from
    > the Linux Standard Base.....


    No-one but yourself argued whether or not RPM is `archaic'.

    > - arguing whether the package manager is relevant for users at all


    No - it was argued that the _choice_ of package management is trivial to most users.

    > And then basically telling someone to go to another forum (that of
    > CentOS) is not hostile?


    The suggestion did not preclude any complaint to openSUSE on the openSUSE forum!

    > I would even consider that mean . Now I have to go to a place I don't
    > like, in order to use software I don't want? I think that's really mean.


    Actually I am the devil incarnate I am very mean, especially to my students!

    But seriously, no-one is being hostile here. Just busy!

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