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    Default Leap 15.0 - first of all: Respect!

    I have tried it from beginning, and first impressions were very poor and made me doubt a lot. Meantime however, it has become my favorite operating system as had been Leap 42.3 before, and now it even recognizes my Eaton UPS without any problems (e.g. till today, Tumbleweed does not)!
    Everybody should understand any SUSE edition requiring hours of work whenever picked for a setup due to individual needs as asked by myself. Though, the only thing really to count is the fact lastly becoming successful. Me, hardened by years of nearly desperate failures on several Linux systems I don't persue any more setup other than using Xfs partitions and the Xfce desktop only. So finally I want to give you a few hints for a happy setup hereby:
    1. Always activate "untested repositories" before going on to check the desktop environment and other software you like to get installed,
    2. for partitioning unconditionally check using the expert installer, and never forget starting from preexisting partition layout only (!!!),
    3. make ample usage of the great offerings of SUSE repositories, as well catching Yast's possibility of setting priorities and all those other switches evenly including package taboos - the process of learning might be hard for you, but at last it will make you very glad,
    4. if longing for perfect multimedia features be aware of having to add or update a two dozen packages from Packman repository : )

    Good luck, and be the Anciestors with all of you!

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    Default Re: Leap 15.0 - first of all: Respect!

    Quote Originally Posted by gerhuda View Post
    I have tried it from beginning, and first impressions were very poor and made me doubt a lot. Meantime however, it has become my favorite operating system as had been Leap 42.3 before, and now it even recognizes my Eaton UPS without any problems (e.g. till today, Tumbleweed does not)!
    Everybody should understand any SUSE edition requiring hours of work whenever picked for a setup due to individual needs as asked by myself. Though, the only thing really to count is the fact lastly becoming successful. Me, hardened by years of nearly desperate failures on several Linux systems I don't persue any more setup other than using Xfs partitions and the Xfce desktop only. So finally I want to give you a few hints for a happy setup hereby:
    1. Always activate "untested repositories" before going on to check the desktop environment and other software you like to get installed,
    2. for partitioning unconditionally check using the expert installer, and never forget starting from preexisting partition layout only (!!!),
    3. make ample usage of the great offerings of SUSE repositories, as well catching Yast's possibility of setting priorities and all those other switches evenly including package taboos - the process of learning might be hard for you, but at last it will make you very glad,
    4. if longing for perfect multimedia features be aware of having to add or update a two dozen packages from Packman repository : )

    Good luck, and be the Anciestors with all of you!
    Hi welcome,

    I have to disagree on quite a lot:
    1. Don't. Install an openQA tested desktop environment of your choice, activate the distro online repos, nothing else.
    2. For new users? Nah, accept the proposal and you'll end up with a working system
    3. Don't. These 'untested' repos, f.e. home: repos are packagers' / developers'' repos, these are the repos where they can ( and should and will ) break things.
    4. Agreed.
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    Default I wrote about "a setup due to individual needs as asked by myself"!

    Dear OpenSUSE administrators and other politicians: Don't be too selfish!
    Your distribution is professionally worked out - especially regarding the Leap 15.0 origin from that cruel SLE 15 Beta (I had tried it: What a great way gone!) -, but you should keep in mind it has never been truly designed for any ordinary Linux user! There's no doubt about one guy modifying anything of the preset will always be held responsible for that all alone : ) However, the preset of OpenSUSE evenly may be called exotic in some way. So mostly, it requires arrangement ...
    Me, I know well why (at least currently) not following KDE Plasma and Btrfs and some other fashionable directions within the Linux world. Because of those few disagreements, do you really want me change to Fedora Rawhide as I have already done before? Or will you better allow me using OpenSUSE my way?
    Just one more point important for me: I always demand my system must work together with the current stable Linux kernel! (And Leap 15.0 actually does!! Just an hour ago I caught 4.16.11 ...)

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    Default Re: Leap 15.0 - first of all: Respect!

    Not a request for help. Shifting to General Chit-Chat...

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    Default Re: Leap 15.0 - first of all: Respect!

    Moved from Install/Boot/Login. Depending on how this thread proceeds, it may be moved to soapbox (or closed) as moderators see fit.

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    Default Re: I wrote about "a setup due to individual needs as asked by myself"!

    Quote Originally Posted by gerhuda View Post
    Or will you better allow me using OpenSUSE my way?
    Of course we "allow" using openSUSE your own way. It's just that what works well for you might not be good advice to other users with different backgrounds.

    Oh, and by the way, I do think Leap 15.0 is going to turn out to be an excellent release.

    While I'm responding, I'll comment on your opening post:

    Always activate "untested repositories" before ...
    Personally, I mostly stay with the standard repos + packman. And that's the best advice for most users. But I will be thinking about whether to use the "extra" repo for firefox. But I'll probably settle with what's in the standard repos.

    check using the expert installer
    I assume you mean the "expert partitioner". I almost always use that. But I don't recommend it to people who are not already experienced with partitioning.

    make ample usage of the great offerings of SUSE repositories
    I do that. I often install additional package to play with and learn. And I install additional desktops for play. What's nice about openSUSE, is that there is a lot of software available in the standard repos (plus packman).

    As for priorities -- I give packman a priority of 98, which is slightly better than the default 99. It usually doesn't matter, because of vendor stickiness. But if I am installing something completely new and it is in both packman and the standard repos, then this priority choice will prefer packman. That seems appropriate for my usage. If I add a special purpose repo, I will probably give that a priority of 100 or higher. That's a deliberately worse priority, because I normally don't want to accidentally install something new from that repo.
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    Default Re: Leap 15.0 - first of all: Respect!

    On 2018-05-24, nrickert <nrickert@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    >> check using the expert installer


    I haven't yet tried Leap 15, but where I think I might have sympathy for OP is the default exotic BTRFS arrangement
    proposed by the installer (assuming it's the same for 15 as it is for previous Leap version). While the arrangement
    makes perfect sense, it which will be incomprehensible and intimidating to GNU/Linux newcomers. I do think an option to
    set the proposer to a more traditional ext4/swap is really overdue and would be trivial to implement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    I do think an option to
    set the proposer to a more traditional ext4/swap is really overdue and would be trivial to implement.
    The option is actually there. Instead of using the expert partitioner, click on "Guided setup". There you can indicate what file system to use, whether to use an LVM, and other options.

    However, it isn't the most obvious, and many users won't try that option.
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    On 2018-05-24, nrickert <nrickert@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
    > However, it isn't the most obvious, and many users won't try that
    > option.


    Pity. I think ext4/swap should be the default. BTRFS has been eschewed by the wider GNU/Linux community and not without
    good reason...

    http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online...port-for-Btrfs
    http://opensource.com/article/18/4/ext4-filesystem
    http://marc.info/?l=linux-btrfs&m=149702342210832&w=2
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...-900p-fs&num=1
    https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs

    While snapshotting may be useful, copy-on-write filesystems inevitably suffer performance degradation as fragmentation
    gets out of control with age. I believe most openSUSE users would be prepared to lose snapshotting to avoid regular
    defragmentation. I'm not suggesting for a moment openSUSE drops/deprecates BTRFS, but it seems to be very bizarre
    default choice.



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    Default Re: Leap 15.0 - first of all: Respect!

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    I think ext4/swap should be the default.
    That's what I have been using.

    I briefly tried "btrfs" with Tumbleweed. And, after a few weeks, I reinstalled with "ext4".
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