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    Hi - I just installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. I do not see how to switch to 24-hour time. I see locale settings, but there is no obvious option there. I've been using OpenSUSE (various versions) for about 10 years and this is the first time I do not see an option for something so simple. Maybe, I'm just missing it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: 24-hour time in OpenSUSE Tumbleweed

    If you're referring to the Plasma panel clock, it's controlled via its context menu, not locale settings, as it's been AFAIK since before KDE3. If you're referring to the format generally, there is an upstream Plasma bug that depends on a longstanding upstream QT bug that still wasn't fixed last I checked on it. Which DE or WM are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post
    If you're referring to the Plasma panel clock, it's controlled via its context menu, not locale settings, as it's been AFAIK since before KDE3. If you're referring to the format generally, there is an upstream Plasma bug that depends on a longstanding upstream QT bug that still wasn't fixed last I checked on it. Which DE or WM are you using?
    Yes, I am aware you can change the panel clock. And that's sort of helps. But that only affects the clock, not all applications that use time.

    But the larger issue is why all the detailed locale settings are country based now. This is idiotic. What if want 24-hour time format and metric in the US/English locale? With today's set-up, I have to select some random country that happens to have those settings that I want.

    I do not have these issues with Windows or older versions of OpenSUSE. Why does Linux so often move two steps back every time it moves forward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikvcl View Post
    But the larger issue is why all the detailed locale settings are country based now. This is idiotic.
    Many people agree with you. And as mentioned above it is already so for some time (and still a show stopper for me). It not only the clock it is also the date (no way to have your date according to the ISO standard).

    But it is purely KDE. (and/or products that KDE is using, but that is indifferent to the KDE user). So blaming Linux is a bit overdone IMHO.
    Henk van Velden

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikvcl View Post
    I do not have these issues with Windows or older versions of OpenSUSE. Why does Linux so often move two steps back every time it moves forward?
    After all it is free. You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    But it is purely KDE. (and/or products that KDE is using, but that is indifferent to the KDE user).
    Well, actually it's the standard locale system in Linux.
    KDE dropped their custom one in favour of using what Qt offers, which in turn only uses what's available on the system (it is cross-platform after all and also available for Windows and MacOS e.g.).

    That said, yes there is room for improvements, and AFAIK there are plans (on the Qt side) for that, but I don't know if anybody is really actively working on that currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    Many people agree with you. And as mentioned above it is already so for some time (and still a show stopper for me). It not only the clock it is also the date (no way to have your date according to the ISO standard).

    But it is purely KDE. (and/or products that KDE is using, but that is indifferent to the KDE user). So blaming Linux is a bit overdone IMHO.
    This type of brain-dead mentality has been common in the Linux community since I have been a part of it. So yes, I will blame "Linux" meaning the Linux community. I have used Linux since 1997 and have used OpenSUSE since 2008. Whether it is systemd or ridiculous broken audio daemons, the Linux community seems to actively hinder its own adoption and frustrates its users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by another_roadrunner View Post
    After all it is free. You don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
    You can say that it's "free". But there are huge companies dumping money into it (e.g. IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, etc.). It's not hackers in the basement developing Linux and hasn't been for over 15 years. Red Hat Enterprise certainly isn't free. And neither is SLES.

    And you could say "fix it yourself". And yes, I have tried that. When your patches are rejected because dudes with egos bigger than their coding ability reject moves in the right direction, it's frustrating. So now I will just bring up issues and hope others will address them. Linux devs do need to grow up, find some maturity, and realize that maybe their own misguided personal opinions shouldn't be inflicted on everyone else. This is why I switched to Windows on the desktop. Linux kept getting worse...

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    @erikvcl: While I can understand your "frustration" to some degree, ranting about that in some random user forum (like here) won't change things either I'm afraid...

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