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    Default Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    TW snapshot 20180127 brought Libreoffice 6.0.0.2-2.1, which now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts.

    From the changelog:

    Wed 24 Jan 2018 12:00:00 GMT
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    - Require xorg-x11-fonts otherwise nothing is shown

    Now being rather adverse to have a plethora of (to me) unneeded fonts, I was not overly keen on the idea of having that package installed.

    So I decided to give it a go without it... and, Libreoffice still works fine at the moment, as far as I can tell...

    http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/9e8a6165
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    Default Re: Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    Maybe it's needed if you run LO without the KDE (or GNOME) integration?
    Just a guess though.

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    Question Re: Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    The LibreOffice 6.0 Release Notes <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.0> do not mention anything about Linux needing the "X.Org fonts" package.
    They've added the Noto, open source Arabic and Hebrew fonts and removed the Open_Sans and PT_Serif fonts.

    This LibreOffice Change Request <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/....cgi?id=103080>, doesn't mention (AFAICS) the need for Linux to include the "X.Org fonts" package.

    Could it be that, the LibreOffice dependency for the "X.Org fonts" package is a mistake?

    On this Leap 42.3 KDE Plasma 5 system, the only things which ** need ** the "X.Org fonts" package are:
    Code:
     > rpm --query --whatrequires xorg-x11-fonts
    graphviz-gnome-2.38.0-9.3.x86_64
    GraphicsMagick-1.3.25-60.1.x86_64
     >

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    The LibreOffice 6.0 Release Notes <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.0> do not mention anything about Linux needing the "X.Org fonts" package.
    They've added the Noto, open source Arabic and Hebrew fonts and removed the Open_Sans and PT_Serif fonts.

    This LibreOffice Change Request <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/....cgi?id=103080>, doesn't mention (AFAICS) the need for Linux to include the "X.Org fonts" package.
    Maybe it was needed before already, just the package dependency was missing in openSUSE?
    And note that I think it's probably used/needed by the GUI itself. (the generic one, as the KDE and GNOME integration should use the fonts specified in the corresponding desktop settings)
    But as I wrote, that's just a guess.

    Could it be that, the LibreOffice dependency for the "X.Org fonts" package is a mistake?
    Feel free to file a bug report.
    But the changelog entry suggests that it is probably *not* a mistake... The mistake might have been that it didn't require it before.

    On this Leap 42.3 KDE Plasma 5 system, the only things which ** need ** the "X.Org fonts" package are:
    Those packages *required* it.
    Doesn't necessarily mean nothing else *needs* it... (dependencies might be missing in the packages)
    Last edited by wolfi323; 30-Jan-2018 at 05:37.

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    Default Re: Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    Maybe it's needed if you run LO without the KDE (or GNOME) integration?
    Just a guess though.
    Seemed quite a plausible guess... But I've just tried LO in it's native mode with no desktop integration and it still, apparently, all works OK.

    http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/9aca55a1


    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    Could it be that, the LibreOffice dependency for the "X.Org fonts" package is a mistake?
    I'm beginning to think that may possibly be the case, as I've now used it "for real" for almost three hours without any problems. Also quickly looking, the "Start Centre", Base, Calc, and Draw all appear to work OK .

    On this Leap 42.3 KDE Plasma 5 system, the only things which ** need ** the "X.Org fonts" package are:
    On TW (20180127) LO is the only application to "require" xorg-x11-fonts...
    Code:
    paul@Orion-15:~$ rpm --query --whatrequires xorg-x11-fonts
    libreoffice-6.0.0.2-2.1.x86_64
    paul@Orion-15:~$
    Regards, Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by tannington View Post
    Seemed quite a plausible guess... But I've just tried LO in it's native mode with no desktop integration and it still, apparently, all works OK.
    Well, the person who did that change should know the real answer... And that's not me. (and he probably won't read this thread here either I suppose)

    On TW (20180127) LO is the only application to "require" xorg-x11-fonts...
    Sure, but that likely depends on what you have installed.
    On my Leap 42.3 system:
    Code:
    $ rpm --query --whatrequires xorg-x11-fonts
    xfig-3.2.5c-13.2.x86_64
    emacs-x11-24.3-28.1.x86_64
    graphviz-gnome-2.38.0-9.3.x86_64
    Last edited by wolfi323; 30-Jan-2018 at 06:33.

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    Default Re: Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    PS, another idea:
    You might have some other fonts installed that are used by LibreOffice, but xorg-x11-fonts might be needed as fallback on a plain/minimal installation...

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    Default AW: Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    PPS: I found a "discussion" in https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/569245 but no reply yet unfortunately...
    dimstar wrote 1 day ago
    Just curious: wasn't liberation-fonts enough? is xorg-x11-fonts reqlly needed? (Just fighting with this as it pulls in > 50MB on the live media, which I don't really have space for)

    kah0922 wrote about 7 hours ago
    Not to mention the fact that it causes some web pages (at least on Firefox) to use the god-awful Helvetica bitmap font, unless you disable the font (via KDE System Settings).

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    Question Re: Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    Comparing the "liberation2-fonts" package to the "liberation-fonts" package the differences seem to be:
    • Liberation-2 has many more characters per font -- the Unicode blocks for each supported language contain more characters.
    • The Liberation-2 package contains XML definitions for hinting and hint style.


    Looking at the changes made with Request 569245, it seems that:
    • The older Liberation fonts have not been replaced by the newer Liberation-2 fonts;
    • I haven't seen anything in the "diff" that would indicate that, the Liberation fonts should be removed before the Liberation-2 fonts are installed.


    Given that, LibreOffice needs a minimum of either a few TrueType or OTF fonts and, earlier last year, stopped supporting Postscript fonts and, never (AFAIK) supported PCF fonts, the need to require the 'xorg-x11-fonts' is puzzling:
    • The "X.Org fonts" package contains only "Luxi" TrueType fonts and, a few East Syriac OTF fonts;
    • The rest are Postscript and PCF fonts, which LibreOffice doesn't support.

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    Default Re: Libreoffice now "requires" xorg-x11-fonts ?

    Thanks for the OBS link... I'll keep an eye on it to see if there are any further comments.

    Interestingly (?) the change log entry says (my bold) "Require xorg-x11-fonts otherwise nothing is shown", which is clearly, in my case, not correct, as I don't have xorg-x11-fonts installed. I do however have "xorg-x11-fonts-core", perhaps that's what's really needed... could remove it and see I suppose.

    For the moment I'm content to have xorg-x11-fonts locked and to "break" LO...
    Regards, Paul

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