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    Default zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    Hi,
    I've recently installed OpenSUSE TW, and so far I'm quite happy with it.
    However, I have not quite understood the update process. Doing a little research I discovered that it's recommended to use zypper dup for upgrades. This commands pulls all sorts of software with it, that I don't want and that I've deselected when I first installed the system. These include Dragon Player, GIMP, K3B, KMail and so on.
    I've also done a manual installation of LO Still 5.3.7 with the official RPM. And again, TW now tries to overwrite my LO installation or even install it besides (not really sure about that).

    So my questions are:
    1. How can I prevent TW zypper dup from pulling software that I don't want?
    2. How can I prevent TW zypper dup from messing around with my manual LO installation?
    3. According to zypper the upgrade only removes "libreoffice5.3-freedesktop-menus", can someone tell me why this is the case? Will 5.3.7 stop working without this package?
    4. The "Software Update" icon in the bottom right shows updates as well. Does this trigger zypper dup or zypper up?

    Thank you all.

    Code:
    The following 13 applications are going to be installed:
      "Dragon Player" GIMP "Hugin Batch Processor" "Hugin Calibrate Lens" "Hugin Panorama
      Creator" K3b Kleopatra KMahjongg KMail KMines KReversi KRuler KSudoku
    
    The following 206 NEW packages are going to be installed:
      AdobeICCProfiles akonadi-search akonadi-search-lang cdrdao digikam digikam-doc
      digikam-lang dragonplayer dragonplayer-lang dvd+rw-tools enblend-enfuse exiftool
      gdk-pixbuf-loader-libopenraw gegl-0_2 gegl-0_2-lang gimp gimp-help gimp-plugin-aa
      gimp-plugins-python gstreamer-plugins-bad-lang gstreamer-plugins-good
      gstreamer-plugins-good-lang gstreamer-plugins-ugly-lang gutenprint gwenview5
      gwenview5-lang hugin ibus ibus-branding-openSUSE-KDE ibus-gtk ibus-gtk3 ibus-lang
      ibus-qt iso-codes-lang k3b k3b-lang kamera-lang kcolorchooser kcolorchooser-lang
      kdegames-carddecks-default kernel-default-4.14.5-1.5 kgamma5 kgamma5-lang kio_audiocd
      kio_audiocd-lang kio_kamera kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-lang kleopatra kleopatra-lang
      kmahjongg kmahjongg-lang kmail kmail-account-wizard kmail-account-wizard-lang
      kmail-application-icons kmail-lang kmines kmines-lang kpat kpat-lang kreversi
      kreversi-lang kruler kruler-lang ksudoku ksudoku-lang ktnef ktnef-lang lame
      lensfun-data libamd-2_4_6 libastro1 libaudiofile1 libbabl-0_1-0 libblas3 libcamd-2_4_6
      libccolamd-2_9_6 libcholmod-3_0_11 libcolamd-2_9_6 libdca0 libdigikamcore5 libdv4
      libfaac0 libfaad2 libFLAC++6 libgegl-0_2-0 libgimp-2_0-0 libgimpui-2_0-0
      libglade-2_0-0 libgsl23 libgslcblas0 libhdf5-101 libhdf5_hl100 libid3tag0
      libjpeg-turbo libkcompactdisc-lang libkdegames libkdegames-lang libKF5Cddb5
      libKF5CompactDisc5 libkf5kdegames6 libKF5KMahjongglib5 libKF5MediaWiki5
      libKF5Vkontakte2 libKF5WebKit5 libkmahjongg libkmahjongg-lang libkvkontakte-lang
      liblapack3 liblensfun1 libmad0 libmarblewidget-qt5-28 libmetis5 libmjpegutils-2_0-0
      libmpeg2-0 libmpeg2convert0 libmspack0 libmusicbrainz4 libmusicbrainz5-1
      libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libopenraw1 libopusfile0 libpano13-3
      libpoppler-glib8 libpostproc53 libQt5SerialPort5 libQtAV1 libQtAVWidgets1
      libquicktime0 libreoffice libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-drivers-mysql
      libreoffice-calc libreoffice-draw libreoffice-filters-optional libreoffice-gnome
      libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-impress libreoffice-l10n-en libreoffice-mailmerge
      libreoffice-math libreoffice-pyuno libreoffice-writer libSDL_gfx15 libshp1 libsox3
      libsuitesparseconfig-4_5_5 libturbojpeg0 libumfpack-5_7_6 libvigraimpex11 libwavpack1
      libwmf-0_2-7 libwx_baseu_net-suse3 libwx_baseu-suse3 libwx_baseu_xml-suse3
      libwx_gtk2u_adv-suse3 libwx_gtk2u_aui-suse3 libwx_gtk2u_core-suse3
      libwx_gtk2u_gl-suse3 libwx_gtk2u_html-suse3 libwx_gtk2u_qa-suse3 libwx_gtk2u_xrc-suse3
      make make-lang marble marble-data marble-doc marble-kde marble-lang mbox-importer
      mbox-importer-lang mjpegtools NetworkManager-pptp-lang NetworkManager-vpnc-lang
      normalize patterns-desktop-imaging patterns-desktop-imaging_opt
      patterns-desktop-multimedia patterns-desktop-multimedia_opt patterns-games-games
      patterns-kde-kde_games patterns-kde-kde_imaging patterns-kde-kde_multimedia
      patterns-kde-kde_office patterns-office-office perl-Archive-Zip perl-File-RandomAccess
      perl-Image-ExifTool pim-data-exporter pim-data-exporter-lang pim-sieve-editor
      pim-sieve-editor-lang python2-cairo python2-numpy python-gobject2 python-gtk showfoto
      site-config sox transcode vcdimager vlc-codecs vlc-lang yast2-sound
    
    The following 10 NEW patterns are going to be installed:
      games imaging imaging_opt kde_games kde_imaging kde_multimedia kde_office multimedia
      multimedia_opt office
    
    The following package is going to be REMOVED:
      libreoffice5.3-freedesktop-menus
    
    The following 45 packages are going to be upgraded:
      btrfsmaintenance gstreamer gstreamer-lang gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-base
      gstreamer-plugins-base-lang gstreamer-plugins-libav libgstadaptivedemux-1_0-0
      libgstallocators-1_0-0 libgstapp-1_0-0 libgstaudio-1_0-0 libgstbadaudio-1_0-0
      libgstbadbase-1_0-0 libgstbadvideo-1_0-0 libgstbasecamerabinsrc-1_0-0
      libgstcodecparsers-1_0-0 libgstfft-1_0-0 libgstgl-1_0-0 libgstmpegts-1_0-0
      libgstpbutils-1_0-0 libgstphotography-1_0-0 libgstreamer-1_0-0 libgstriff-1_0-0
      libgstrtp-1_0-0 libgstrtsp-1_0-0 libgstsdp-1_0-0 libgsttag-1_0-0
      libgsturidownloader-1_0-0 libgstvideo-1_0-0 libgstwayland-1_0-0 libldap-2_4-2
      libldap-data libnghttp2-14 libQt5WebKit5 libQt5WebKit5-imports libQt5WebKitWidgets5
      man openldap2-client openSUSE-release openSUSE-release-ftp pciutils-ids perl perl-base
      thin-provisioning-tools xlockmore
    
    The following product is going to be upgraded:
      openSUSE Tumbleweed  20171213-0 -> 20171214-0
    
    45 packages to upgrade, 206 new, 1 to remove.
    Overall download size: 449.9 MiB. Already cached: 1.9 MiB. After the operation,
    additional 1.3 GiB will be used.

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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    it has more to do with TW as it's a rolling distro libjpeg-turbois is definitely not a new package
    aside from packages needed for the OS to run there are so called recommended packages
    https://doc.opensuse.org/documentati...r.softman.util
    In addition to dependencies that must be fulfilled, some packages “recommend” other packages. These recommended packages are only installed if actually available and installable.
    if you want you can disable recommended packages by editing
    Code:
    \etc\zypp\zypp.conf
    set and uncomment the line
    Code:
    solver.onlyRequires = true
    in that case "recommended" packages will not be installed that being said I'm pretty sure that none of those 206 packages are "new" so don't do anything

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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    Quote Originally Posted by I_A View Post
    Code:
    \etc\zypp\zypp.conf
    Something wrong with the / key on your keyboard?
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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    In my opinion it is not a good idea to disable the recommended packages, just uninstall them and then bolt them
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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    Quote Originally Posted by V_idocq View Post
    then bolt them
    How can I "bolt" them?


    @ I_A Thanks for your reply.
    Maybe you are misunderstanding me, it's not about old packages that are replaced by newer version.
    As shown, zypper dup draws

    Code:
    The following 13 applications are going to be installed:
      "Dragon Player" GIMP "Hugin Batch Processor" "Hugin Calibrate Lens" "Hugin Panorama
      Creator" K3b Kleopatra KMahjongg KMail KMines KReversi KRuler KSudoku
    Which I don't want. Or are you saying, that these are actually "recommended" packages?

    Concerning LO you could argue hat it's the latest version - albeit being of the "still" branch.
    So how do I prevent TW to mess with my LO installation?

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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    When you do not want them, taboo them (e.g. in YaST). Or set in YaST that you do not want Recommended ones (YaST > Software Management: Options > recommended balbla.).
    Henk van Velden

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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    I can understand some of those being recommended like gimp and hugin but sorry games are not something I want or need and IMHO should never be recommended. I missed these when I first did a zypper dup to update my TW and it annoys me that it installed games which I do not want need and never use. Trivial maybe but none the less very annoying since I deliberately removed them on installation.

    Stuart

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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    Just taboo what you don't want. The recommends are just for the most part the generic install. Some people may want the games or come from Windows where some are expected.

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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    Sorry, but I use the translator and sometimes it's not very clear.
    I do everything from Yast> uninstall> then I render the Taboo application


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    Default Re: zypper dup & questions concerning software auto installation

    Quote Originally Posted by broadstairs View Post
    I can understand some of those being recommended like gimp and hugin but sorry games are not something I want or need and IMHO should never be recommended. I missed these when I first did a zypper dup to update my TW and it annoys me that it installed games which I do not want need and never use. Trivial maybe but none the less very annoying since I deliberately removed them on installation.

    Stuart
    That is indeed what I've done, uninstall and then taboo them. However my point was that I had not installed them in the first place but TW using zypper dup puts them back which is not what I expected to happen. I expected it to update what I had installed not install stuff I had not installed initially or wnated. I've been using TW for some time now and only recently was it trying to enforce zypper dup - I had been using zypper up for ages with no problems!

    Stuart

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