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Thread: Linux Standard Base Adoption/ Development in the Linux Community

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    Default Re: Linux Standard Base Adoption/ Development in the LinuxCommunity

    On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 07:36:01 +0000, Panaman wrote:

    > I agree with what you have said. I am sorry for coming off the way i
    > did. I get passionate and i dont always come across the way i should. I
    > mean to say that in my personal opinion, open source and the freedom to
    > choose and do it your way is awesome and i highly respect it and think
    > it has more power than people realize, and that power could be directed
    > by the community at large to make Linux a more friendly place for your
    > average person looking to get away from windows.

    For a lot of people in the OSS and Linux communities, being a place for
    Windows users to move to is secondary - learning Linux does involve some
    effort, and that effort is something that's well-rewarded.

    Indeed, there are distributions that are distributed in source-code form
    only (Linux from Scratch, Gentoo) that are geared towards helping people
    learn a lot more about Linux. Debian-derived distributions that use
    aptitude for package management have their own approach to doing things;
    RPM-based distributions like openSUSE/SUSE/Redhat/CentOS have theirs.
    Neither is really better or worse (there are pros and cons to each
    approach), but because people are involved, people have their own ideas
    about "what's best", and follow their passions. That's the core of what
    open source software development is all about.

    > Again, i didnt mean any disrespect. I apologize for my tone and ill
    > advised "I know it all" attitude. Thank you for not yelling at me.

    You're welcome - and you're not the first to start a discussion like
    this. It comes from a lack of understanding about what the purpose of
    open source is. For those of us who have been involved for a long time,
    it's easy to forget that "we were newbies once" as well, and some will be
    upset by that approach. As I've gotten older, I try to remember what it
    was like to feel like I knew it all. Still make that mistake from time
    to time. Experience is a great teacher.

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    Default Re: Linux Standard Base Adoption/ Development in the Linux Community

    On 2017-10-08, Panaman <> wrote:
    > Why does the general Linux community not seem to care about the Linux
    > Standard Base (LSB )and any sort of standards?

    I believe the RPM GNU/Linux community care about the LSB and the DEB GNU/Linux community do not. Since the DEB GNU/Linux
    community is much bigger, this gives the impression that the general GNU/Linux community do not compare about LSB.
    Since the enterprise GNU/Linux community however _do_ care about the standards, LSB will always be supported and that is
    one of the wonderful consequences of openSUSE being related to SLE.

    > We need more
    > compatibility across the distributions and to stop the rampant
    > fracturing within the community.

    Bryan Lunduke regularly gives talks called `Linux sucks' (although I believe his 2017 recording may be his last) making
    this point. The GNU/Linux community is a community not a commercial venture. As a result a huge amount of time and effort
    is wasted on the parallel duplication of similar technologies (e.g. Qt vs GTK, systemd vs sysinit/openrc, KDE vs GNOME)
    and often the divides are the basis of idealogies that appear fairly arbtrary to pragmatists. The idealogical GNU/Linux
    zealot cares little for fracturing in the community and this isn't going to change anytime soon.

    > With Microsoft closing in on the Linux
    > community, we need to unite as a community, instead of further fracture
    > and become weaker for it.

    Well, no. Remember the Linux community includes Android which is 100% Linux but 0% GNU, and Microsoft are not closing in
    on Android. That's why it's important to distinguish Linux and GNU/Linux, and existence of such a distinction
    constitutes yet another fracture. The fact that the Linux Standard Base is much more about GNU than about Linux yet
    doesn't even have GNU in the name proves it isn't fit for purpose as a unifying strategy, but only serves as common
    specification for commercial vendors (such as Intel) when compiling their binary backages with pre-established
    dependencies. This is makes LSB useful, but not in the manner you propose.

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