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    Default I have differences in my installs on Laptop and Desktop?

    I'm upgrading my laptop and desktops from Leap 42.2 to 42.3

    On my laptop (which appears to be working correctly), the Partitioner shows.....

    /dev/sda 465.76GB ST500LT012-1DG14
    /dev/sda1 2.01GB Linux Swap Swap swap
    /dev/sda2 10..00GB Linux Native XFS /
    /dev/sda3 453.75GB Linux Native XFS /home

    The above was how it was originally setup. Then there has appeared 5 tmpfs folders. Which I assume are temporary folders of some kind and can be deleted? Yes/No?

    On my desktop, I had a hard disk crash, which is probably irrecoverable. But I had a spare 3TB Seagate Barracuda drive. Which I tested for 9hrs using Seagate's own Test/Reformat Utils. Everything checked out fine. So I wiped the first sector using their tool and proceeded to reformat with Leap 42.3.

    After finishing the install and trying to run, Leap 4.3 on the desktop all I see is "Loading Operating System ...". No Grub message or boot from the hard drive. What could or should I have done differently. Beside the above partitions I see a /boot/EFI partition being created, when trying to install, which I just accepted as part of the install I also saw (somewhere in the install) something about boot being protected. But don't recall if that was optional. And finally, I never managed to get the WFi connected during the install. Wich seemed pretty easy on the laptop install. That is usually my biggest headache when doing any install.

    My Desktop also had a similar setup to my Laptop when using Leap 42.2 I'm not sure what's going on with all this. Any advice would be helpful.

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    Default Re: I have differences in my installs on Laptop and Desktop?

    A few remarks, sorry.

    When you want to show things like your partition table (or any other computer facts), please copy what you see on your terminal window complete, that is prompt, command, output, prompt, and paste that between CODE tags in your post. You get the CODE tags by clicking on the # button in the tool bar of the post editor.

    This so that we can see the same as you saw. Without any alterations, or interpretation or conclusions from your side that may spoil the information we might need to help you.

    For a a partition table this could be the command
    Code:
    fdisk -l
    As you post now, we have to assume that it is correct (instead of being sure). It looks not that strange except that the root partition is XFS instead of the default Btrfs and it is a bit small (20GB being the default for a non Btrfs installation). But OTOH you have no complaints about this system, thus it is rather unimportant IMHO.

    Then you talk about "5 tmpfs folders that have appeared". Again, only a sort of conclusion you made, but no computer facts shown. But I assume you mean tmpfs file systems that are mounted. That is normal, your system most probably needs them, and if I were you I would not start any actions to try and remove/delete/whatever them. They will disappear at system shutdown in any case. And reappear at boot. That is what tmpfs file systems do

    And then you come to your real problem, which seems to be something like "no boot after installation" on another system.. It is a pity that that, or similar, is not in the title of your thread, because that seems to be your real problem.

    So please concentrate on the problem on that second system. Try inform us how you installed it, specially where you deviated from the defaults. When possible give us an
    Code:
    fdisk -l
    of the system (e.g. by using a llfe/rescue system, etc.
    Henk van Velden

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    Default Re: I have differences in my installs on Laptop and Desktop?

    Thank you for your criticisms and observations. No offense taken. If I remember, I couldn't cut and paste that partition structure, but I probably would have forgotten to paste it within a [code] segment anyway, I mentioned the tmpfs partitions, because I've never seen them before. Ever. But agree they are probably not relevant. I did format everything using XFS simply because I didn't like all those additional files to understand, using Btrfs (or whatever it's called).

    At the moment. I'm wiping my 3TB Seagate on my Desktop again. Because my first 9 hour test was just a test, and then I wiped the first sector. But I kind of feel the 42.3 install appeared to have parts of Windows still from the 3TB Seagate. I hadn't used it in a while and not sure what was on the drive. It would be helpful if somebody could give an example of what to expect the partition table should look like, using only swap/xfs. I was kind of expecting it to look similar to my Laptop only with a bigger partition sizes. I was surprised to see to see a vfat and /boot/EFI partition.

    So I wait until this second "real" wipe has completed (currently 38% complete) and try another install. And see what happens. Will keep in touch.

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    Default Re: I have differences in my installs on Laptop and Desktop?

    Hi
    Sounds like your desktop system is UEFI capable? You need to confirm by checking in the BIOS, but suggest you stick with that if available rather than legacy boot.

    If it's UEFI, then would see something like;
    Code:
    lsblk
    
    NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
    sda      8:0    0 119.2G  0 disk 
    ├─sda1   8:1    0   260M  0 part /boot/efi
    ├─sda2   8:2    0    40G  0 part /
    ├─sda3   8:3    0    75G  0 part /data
    └─sda4   8:4    0     4G  0 part [SWAP]
    
    fdisk -l /dev/sda
    
    Disk /dev/sda: 119.2 GiB, 128035676160 bytes, 250069680 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Disklabel type: gpt
    Disk identifier: AA2EE39D-13A0-445D-87EF-2D9D2B33B2CB
    
    Device         Start       End   Sectors  Size Type
    /dev/sda1       2048    534527    532480  260M EFI System
    /dev/sda2     534528  84420607  83886080   40G Linux filesystem
    /dev/sda3   84420608 241707007 157286400   75G Linux filesystem
    /dev/sda4  241707008 250069646   8362639    4G Linux swap
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    Default Re: I have differences in my installs on Laptop and Desktop?

    Sorry. Please delete my previous post. I was not sure what I edited, and ran out of time.

    Thank you for your criticisms and observations. No offense taken. If I remember, I couldn't cut and paste that partition structure, but I probably would have forgotten to paste it within a [code] segment anyway, I mentioned the tmpfs partitions, because I've never seen them before. Ever. But agree they are probably not relevant. I did format everything using XFS simply because I didn't like all those additional files to understand, using Btrfs (or whatever it's called).

    At the moment. I'm wiping my 3TB Seagate on my Desktop again. Because my first 9 hour test was just a test, and then I wiped the first sector. But I kind of feel the 42.3 install appeared to have parts of Windows still from the 3TB Seagate. I hadn't used it in a while and not sure what was on the drive. It would be helpful if somebody could give an example of what to expect the partition table should look like, using only swap and /home / formatted with xfs. I was kind of expecting it to look similar to my Laptop only with a bigger partition sizes. I was surprised to see to see a vfat and /boot/EFI partition. Has anything changed since 42.2?

    So I wait until this second "real" wipe has completed (currently 38% complete) and try another install. And see what happens. Will keep in touch.

    I'm not using a rescue disk at all. I'm doing a direct install from the install DVD. Both the laptop and the desktop didn't have anything recoverable on either of them worth using. It's the damaged hard drive from the desktop which had all the important information on it. Which from first looks, looks irrecoverable or expensive to recover (but that's another story).

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    Default Re: I have differences in my installs on Laptop and Desktop?

    When you have a system that uses EFI boot, you need that vfat file system for /boot/EFI.

    Install, when you prefer ext4 or xfs above btrfs, that is fine.

    Try the installation, take notes where you deviated from the defaults (always handy when you have to ask here) and then report what you see as precise as possible.

    I understand that it is not always possible to copy/paste, or, as a second best, to take screen shots or photos, but it is by far the best way to inform others here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubble View Post
    So I wiped the first sector using their tool and . . .
    Why?

    Even with x TB disks, IMHO there shouldn't be any need to use the disk manufacturer's tools (usually needed to handle the things the Redmond folks do . . . ) to erase anything on the disk given that, anything *NIX (including Linux) will be loaded on the thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtisfra View Post
    Why?

    Even with x TB disks, IMHO there shouldn't be any need to use the disk manufacturer's tools (usually needed to handle the things the Redmond folks do . . . ) to erase anything on the disk given that, anything *NIX (including Linux) will be loaded on the thing.
    I checked it with Seagate Tools to be sure it was a good drive, because it as quite old and not used for a while. But it passed with flying colors. What happened was I was unaware that over 2TB, I needed that boot/EFI vFat partition for booting from. In my initial trial I removed that partition, and wondered why I couldn't get past the "Loading Operating System...." message. I tried to install with various methods, but all failed because I had deleted that partition. I couldnt boot from the hard drive OR the DVD. It was only solved wiping the first sector of the hard disk and trying to install again and allowing the /boot/EFI vFat partition to stand, that I could re-install from the DVD.

    So now I tried installing with the vFat, Swap, XFS /, XFS /home, which looks like a normal setup, to me. These all failed to install properly, whether I used Leap or Tumbleweed. It starts off writing correctly, as far as I can tell with about 52 minutes to install to complete. But in every case after just a few minutes the time to complete jumps to >2hrs to install, and if I let it run, I appear to get some files failing to install (starting art korg). Again it seems to be the same with the either Tumbleweed or Leap. I checked the iso's online without any errors. Eventually there are so many errors (not coninuously), I had to abort the install.

    I've probably spent more than 15hrs at this point. I've run out of options as far as I can see at his point. I think it has something to do with the 3TB drive. I'm going to try to buy a 2TB drive today, and see it that solves the problem.

    One other thing. When booting the Desktop, I get more than a screenful of error messages, which go by quite fast. But it eventually ends with an OK and it continues. On the Laptop, I get 2 or 3 messages, which don't seem to effect the performance of the Laptop. I'm going to replace that Desktop memory with a spare set of memory to see if that helps.

    Any further suggestions are welcome.

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    Default Re: I have differences in my installs on Laptop and Desktop?

    OK are you sure you boot the installer in EFI mode NOT legacy? it should create or use by default the EFI boot partition format it will also mark it as a EFI boot and mount it at /boot/efi. Doing it by hand can be done but you must be sure the EFI boot partition is marked correctly as a EFI boot. Also since you wiped the disk be sure it is using GPT and not old DOS partitioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogalthorp View Post
    OK are you sure you boot the installer in EFI mode NOT legacy? it should create or use by default the EFI boot partition format it will also mark it as a EFI boot and mount it at /boot/efi. Doing it by hand can be done but you must be sure the EFI boot partition is marked correctly as a EFI boot. Also since you wiped the disk be sure it is using GPT and not old DOS partitioning.
    Ok. After another day of heartache. I've have something to add.

    1) I did find out that my install DVD was corrupted. I've no idea how that happened. Not a great start and not hard to correct. So I downloaded and checked the install disk (Leap 42.3) thoroughly. And it appears to be 100% perfect. It fixed also all the long installs of 2hrs plus.

    2) I bought a new 2TB drive. When I swap out the 3TB drive to the 2TB drive, install works just fine. So there is definitely something wrong with the install, even If I accept all the defaults during the install onto the 3TB drive. I even was able to select XFS for both / and /home, and swap was swap. 3 partitions total. (for the 2TB drive but not for the 3TB, and have it work).

    3) But this new install disk still or even if I try to "fine tune" it to /boot/EFI (vfat), or even if I try to "not to fine tune it" it and accept the defaults nothing worked. I would have expected the defaults (including /boot/EFI) to have worked. But they didn't create a bootable hard drive.

    4) How to I check whether the 3TB drive is using GPT or DOS, and how to change it, if it's DOS?

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