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    Default Newbie in 42.3 stumbled with doubts

    Hello.
    Just tried to install Leap 42.3, and some questions arouse as always... (even more since I hadn't used openSUSE since 12.x).

    1) I see GNOME has kind of its own update "application", it even pops notifications if new updates are available. But, is it also set to automatically install them at a given time? If so, how can I disable it? Or even more, is there a way to disable its notifications, without going "unorthodox"?

    2) I read Polari replaced Xchat as GNOME's default IRC client since 13.2, or so... I know I could just go and install Hexchat if needed, but... was there a special reason for putting this Polari "thing" as replacement at least in GNOME? Couldn't it have been just Hexchat itself? Back when I first used openSUSE I used Xchat because it was the default included one and turned to be good, but this new one looks... "crapy"? It even lacks some important networks in its default list, such as Rizon and some other ones.

    3) After doing the multimedia guide I applied Packman switch in the command line and packages were changed. Just to confirm I went to Yast > Software manager and tried to apply switch to Packman then accepted. Seemed to do some "installing" process that took some seconds, but in the end seemingly it did nothing, just a small waste of time. Is it expected or I did something wrong?

    4) Finally, how would one install patterns (i.e., if one wants to install another DE such as KDE or Enlightenment) through zypper command line?

    Thanks very much beforehand.

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    Default Re: Newbie in 42.3 stumbled with doubts

    I'm not really a gnome user I haven't even installed it since 13.2 but some of your questions are general
    1. the update applet is configurable you can even uninstall it and use zypper for updates
    2. I think xchat has been abandoned upstream the only updates it got was translation but it's still available from the gnome:apps repo
    http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...USE_Leap_42.2/
    Code:
    zypper ar -f http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/GNOME:Apps.repo
    zypper in xchat
    3. doing zypper dup --from packman or using yast to change system packages is the same thing as you already had the packman packages yast had nothing to do.
    4. that depends on the particular desktop packages and their maintainers
    you can try
    Code:
    man zypper
    to see the use of patterns but I generally don't use patterns as they install applications I might not use I usually install the minimum desktop by pulling it's session package and then add apps I might use for example
    Code:
    zypper in plasma5-session
    will install the "minimum" needed packages to run the plasma5 desktop and it won't install any kde applications
    or you could try
    Code:
    zypper in -t pattern lxqt
    which should pull the lxqt desktop

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    Default Re: Newbie in 42.3 stumbled with doubts

    Quote Originally Posted by F_style View Post

    4) Finally, how would one install patterns (i.e., if one wants to install another DE such as KDE or Enlightenment) through zypper command line?

    Thanks very much beforehand.
    See the answer I gave here...
    https://forums.opensuse.org/showthre...23#post2832723

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    @deano_ferrari:
    Yes sir, already read it. Thanks very much.
    I'm sorry for having too much "activity" lately, truth is I'm feeling pressured with having this rig ready... Also, reason I pack several different questions in one thread is precisely in order to not flood the forums with *many* different threads of which several are actually "smaller" things.

    5) Regarding the Mozilla repository, I already added the 42.3 one, but it's still not listed here https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories
    And by the way, I manually browsed the repo and there's already a package for Firefox 54, but neither Yast nor zypper up detect it; as if still this 52.2.0 was the latest one for openSUSE. WTH?

    6) Out of curiosity, is there a way to make clock in GNOME to display seconds as well? It shows date and time but with just hour and minutes.

    I'm struggling with multimedia as well, but I made a thread there.

    Thanks very much beforehand.

    By the way, maybe mr IA has a point... if one already has one full installed (and hopefully working) DE, installing another one will also pull this new DE's own applications! I already confirmed without installing. What if one doesn't want any additional applications? How can I tell which packages for each DE are purely for just the DE itself?

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    Default Re: Newbie in 42.3 stumbled with doubts

    Quote Originally Posted by F_style View Post
    @deano_ferrari:
    Yes sir, already read it. Thanks very much.
    I'm sorry for having too much "activity" lately, truth is I'm feeling pressured with having this rig ready... Also, reason I pack several different questions in one thread is precisely in order to not flood the forums with *many* different threads of which several are actually "smaller" things.
    It's preferable to start separate threads for different questions/issues (for the reasons already outlined).

    5) Regarding the Mozilla repository, I already added the 42.3 one, but it's still not listed here https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories
    I guess the volunteers that maintain that page (along with others) just haven't got around to updating it yet. Not a big deal.

    And by the way, I manually browsed the repo and there's already a package for Firefox 54, but neither Yast nor zypper up detect it; as if still this 52.2.0 was the latest one for openSUSE. WTH?
    Okay, you have the mozilla repo (posted in one of your earlier threads)...
    Code:
    2 | mozilla                   | mozilla                                 | Si         | (r ) Si          | Si         |   99      | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Leap_42.3/
    Did you try the following?
    Code:
    zypper dup --from mozilla

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    Quote Originally Posted by F_style View Post
    By the way, maybe mr IA has a point... if one already has one full installed (and hopefully working) DE, installing another one will also pull this new DE's own applications! I already confirmed without installing. What if one doesn't want any additional applications? How can I tell which packages for each DE are purely for just the DE itself?
    Some packages are just recommended. You can get rid of those using the '--no-recommends' option. For example...
    Code:
    zypper in --no-recommends patterns-openSUSE-gnome

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    5) Regarding the Mozilla repository, I already added the 42.3 one, but
    it's still not listed here
    https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories
    And by the way, I manually browsed the repo and there's already a
    package for Firefox 54, but neither Yast nor zypper up detect it; as if
    still this 52.2.0 was the latest one for openSUSE. WTH?

    6) Out of curiosity, is there a way to make clock in GNOME to display
    seconds as well? It shows date and time but with just hour and minutes.
    Hi

    5) It's 52 due to numerous issues with getting 54 to build properly, rust,
    gtk etc... AFAIK it missed the deadline for integration into 42.3.

    6) System Settings -> Tweak Tool -> Top bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    Okay, you have the mozilla repo (posted in one of your earlier threads)...
    Code:
    2 | mozilla                   | mozilla                                 | Si         | (r ) Si          | Si         |   99      | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Leap_42.3/
    Did you try the following?
    Code:
    zypper dup --from mozilla
    Wait... really applying switch for Mozilla repository? Shouldn't switch be generally reserved only for Packman?

    Back in 12.x or even 13.1, IIRC one added a repository, and packages available for update would immediately show if there were already. So it was just a matter of going to Yast > Software manager and browse, say, the Mozilla repository. Packages for update were shown just there and one just had to select and install (or right-click > update if newer version available). According to what I just had to learn and re-learn, the good command line equivalent for this process would be "zypper lu" and "zypper up" indeed.

    But now, neither zypper up nor Yast way show any newer Firefox packages. Was it a new change in Leap to have to use the repository switch, just like you suggest?

    EDIT:
    Ah, thanks very much.
    Then I just hope Firefox 52.2.0 is still totally secure to use, with people around internet saying "you **must always** use latest available stable version from Mozilla website!"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by F_style View Post
    EDIT:
    Ah, mr Malcolm! Thanks very much and good to see again.
    Then I just hope Firefox 52.2.0 is still totally secure to use, with people around internet saying "you **must always** use latest available stable version from Mozilla website!"...
    Hi
    Security and bug fixes are backported, just not features. That's why there are changelogs for the system administrator to see what is changed
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    Quote Originally Posted by F_style View Post
    Wait... really applying switch for Mozilla repository? Shouldn't switch be generally reserved only for Packman?

    Back in 12.x or even 13.1, IIRC one added a repository, and packages available for update would immediately show if there were already. So it was just a matter of going to Yast > Software manager and browse, say, the Mozilla repository. Packages for update were shown just there and one just had to select and install (or right-click > update if newer version available). According to what I just had to learn and re-learn, the good command line equivalent for this process would be "zypper lu" and "zypper up" indeed.

    But now, neither zypper up nor Yast way show any newer Firefox packages. Was it a new change in Leap to have to use the repository switch, just like you suggest?

    EDIT:
    Ah, thanks very much.
    Then I just hope Firefox 52.2.0 is still totally secure to use, with people around internet saying "you **must always** use latest available stable version from Mozilla website!"...
    well yes and no, one should avoid using zypper dup but when dealing with apps that have specific dependencies not provided in the main repositories zypper dup is a must you can use it with multiple --from switches for example
    Code:
    zypper dup --from packman --from mozilla
    about new versions and Firefox currently the Firefox package in OSS is Firefox-esr in the mozilla repo Firefox is the rolling release version while Firefox-esr is a separate package which might cause some confusion

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