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    Question openSUSE TW equivalent of aptik?

    In the *buntu world, aptik is a marvellous utility program "for migrating system settings and data to a fresh install of a Ubuntu-based distribution. It can be used while re-installing or upgrading to the next Ubuntu/Linux Mint release". In my usage it's especially useful for automating the installation of all the same programs on PC-B as you might already have on PC-A. http://www.teejeetech.in/p/aptik.html

    Can anyone pls tell me if something similar exists in the openSUSE Tumbleweed world? Note - i'm not talking merely about programs to back up a User's data; that's comparatively trivial, & different.

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    Have you found 'machinery' yet?

    https://software.opensuse.org/package/machinery
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    Default Re: openSUSE TW equivalent of aptik?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab View Post
    Have you found 'machinery' yet?

    https://software.opensuse.org/package/machinery
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    Thank you. No, i'd not known of it before. I installed it direct from main repos, in one of my testing VMs just to look at it. I suspect it's probably a bit above my head unfortunately --- aptik is nice for amateurs like me due to its comfy GUI

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    GUI you say? Crazy! ;-)

    https://machinery-project.blogspot.d...ux-system.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by ab View Post
    GUI you say? Crazy! ;-)

    https://machinery-project.blogspot.d...ux-system.html


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    Well yes, i'm quite sure that i am bonkers. Thanks for the link; it looks interesting. Initially i thought it still couldn't help me as i misunderstood, thinking it only produced a static listing of what my system currently is. I became rather interested though once i read:
    Service migration
    Migrate your services from one kind of system to another. Migrate physical systems to the cloud. Migrate from one operating system version to another. Do this in a repeatable, documented way, which can be adapted to your needs.
    ...which is the entire point of Aptik, & what i seek here now in openSUSE... a way to automate or at least semi-automate the process of me being able to mimic my setup on a different pc, without having to manually install every package myself, the second time. I shall need to study Machinery more, to decide if it really might satisfy my objective. Thanks once again.

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    On Thu 06 Jul 2017 02:26:03 AM CDT, GooeyGirl wrote:

    ab;2828905 Wrote:
    > GUI you say? Crazy! ;-)
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    > http://tinyurl.com/ycqx7cy5
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    Well yes, i'm quite sure that i -am- bonkers. Thanks for the link; it
    looks interesting. Initially i thought it still couldn't help me as i
    misunderstood, thinking it only produced a -static- listing of what my
    system currently is. I became rather interested though once i read:
    > Service migration
    > Migrate your services from one kind of system to another. Migrate
    > physical systems to the cloud. *-Migrate from one operating system
    > version to another-*. Do this in a repeatable, documented way, which
    > can be adapted to your needs.


    ....which is the entire point of -Aptik-, & what i seek here now in
    openSUSE... a way to automate or at least semi-automate the process of
    me being able to mimic my setup on a different pc, without having to
    -manually- install every package myself, the second time. I shall need
    to study -Machinery- more, to decide if it really might satisfy my
    objective. Thanks once again.


    Hi
    There is also autoyast, kiwi (with OBS) and SUSE Studio
    (https://susestudio.com)

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    Default Re: openSUSE TW equivalent of aptik?

    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    There is also autoyast, kiwi (with OBS) and SUSE Studio
    (https://susestudio.com)
    Oh good, thanks, i'll look those up too.

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    Default Re: openSUSE TW equivalent of aptik?

    None of the alternatives suggested so far seem to provide a similar functionality to Aptik, although i readily concede i might be wrong & have simply not yet correctly understood.

    Let me ask my question in a slightly different way. My Lappy, after many weeks of hard graft, ups & downs, & much learning, now has a really nicely setup Tumbleweed; eg, Plasma personalisations [incl. colours, fonts, VDs, Activities, Desktop Effects, wallpapers, widgets etc], non-standard pgms installed, repos... As of today i am now a big step closer to reaching a decision about potentially also migrating my Tower to TW. If i was to do that change, what is the efficient way of mimicking all my Lappy's configuration in Tower [manually implementing every setting to be the same, one by one, is not efficient, even though obviously i'd get there in the end].

    In *buntu-land, Aptik is that efficient means. How would any of you do this in TW?

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    Some warning: I've seen what aptik can do: a perfectly running Ubuntu server borked by an aptik action from a laptop.

    Once you have some starting point Saltstack is a fine tool for this. The thread below is in dutch, but has a lot of salt examples.
    Where I would normally do
    Code:
    zypper in PACKAGE
    I now do
    Code:
    salt '*' pkg.install PACKAGE
    , where the '*' means 'on all minions ( all machines connected to the salt-master ). It would take a bit of learning ( but hey, you're doing so anyway ), but it's pretty soon worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    Some warning: I've seen what aptik can do: a perfectly running Ubuntu server borked by an aptik action from a laptop.
    Oh yes indeed. I've not just seen it, i've done it, to myself, on a freshly reinstalled Maui. Let's just say that i was Pretty Unimpressed with myself for quite a while afterwards [pretty much all the time it took to re-reinstall the OS then re-set it up to my tastes again]. However, out of that fiery crucible came a better understanding of how to correctly use it, & when used that way, Aptik is fabulous. I really do wish there was some equivalent in oS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    Once you have some starting point Saltstack is a fine tool for this. The thread below is in dutch, but has a lot of salt examples.
    Where I would normally do
    Code:
    zypper in PACKAGE
    I now do
    Code:
    salt '*' pkg.install PACKAGE
    , where the '*' means 'on all minions ( all machines connected to the salt-master ). It would take a bit of learning ( but hey, you're doing so anyway ), but it's pretty soon worth the effort.
    Thanks. I could not see a relevant link ["thread below is in dutch"], but i DDG'd it & read some stuff. At first blush it seems vastly beyond my comprehension... even the mere Wikipedia page was incomprehensible to me re jargon & concepts unfamiliar to me atm... & then the more "hard-core" pages just completely reinforced my inadequacy. I suspect that, if i do find myself able to go ahead with my Tower conversion from Maui to TW [still one obstacle remaining], i should probably just go ahead with manually* replicating my successful Lappy TW setup on Tower, if the semi-automation options [in the absence of an Aptik-like pgm] would require such a steep learning curve for me [ie, take a lot of time].

    *That said, last night by experimentation i discovered that copying these files from Lappy to Tower [done on the latter in a VM], for each of my User accounts, does nicely replicate my Lappy TW Desktops & Activities setups in Tower... so this will be handy once [/if] i'm in a position to do it "for real" on Tower:
    Code:
    Path = ~/.config/
    
    
    ACTIVITIES
    kactivitymanagerd-pluginsrc
    kactivitymanagerd-switcher
    kactivitymanagerdrc
    
    
    DESKTOP
    plasma_calendar_holiday_regions
    plasma_workspace.notifyrc
    plasma-locale-settings.sh
    plasma-localerc
    plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc
    plasma-pk-updates
    plasmarc
    plasmashellrc

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