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    Default 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    Since I don't keep up with the mail lists, I noticed these two Desktop install options are completely different from earlier openSUSE...

    1. Both LXDE and LXQT are omitted as default options in the DVD install.

    2. When online repositories are enabled, only Enlightenment appears as a new Desktop option. LXDE, LXQT and Mate do not show up as new Install options.

    For anyone who wants to install these now "demoted" Desktops, the following is the best I can find for right now. You should
    1. Select to install with online repositories(recommendation but may not be necessary for some Desktops),
    2. Select "Minimal X" for your Desktop option,
    3. When the Installation Summary displays, click on "Software" and select the Desktop pattern you want.

    Finally, as always if you installed using the DVD and did not select to use online repositories, <always> finish up by updating your system
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    The result of the above when I install LXQT is a hybrid of the LXQT Desktop apps and the MinimalX login and menu system. Changing the Display manager does not have any effect on trying to make this a completely LXQT system (tried lxdm and lightdm). If you install Mate or other alternative Desktops after selecting MinimalX as the default Desktop does not change anything. Have not yet experimented with removing MinimalX from the initial Install.

    Although nothing can be done for the DVD now, I suspect if this is a bug it will be fixed when online repositories for installation is selected in the future.

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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    A revised recommendation to properly display a graphical login screen...

    1. Select to install with online repositories(recommendation but may not be necessary for some Desktops),
    2. Select "Server - Text Mode" for your Desktop option,
    3. When the Installation Summary displays, click on "Software" and perform the following
    3a. Find the "Server Functions" then "Generic Server" item, rt-click and select "Do not Install"
    3b. Select your desired Desktop pattern
    4. Click the "Accept" button for your Software selections and continue.

    I performed the above on a DVD offline install and found that the LXDE pattern was available. To make the Mate, LXQT and perhaps future other Desktops available, you need to install from online sources.

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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    I seem to remember seeing LXDE when installing from the DVD (without added repos). But I could be misremembering. I agree that there wasn't an LXQT, but there never has been.

    I installed KDE, Gnome and XFCE during install, and added LXQT and MATE later. (What's the use of a computer if you cannot play around with a variety of desktops?)
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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    lxqt did show up and install when I did the network install
    I think they're under customize

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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    Quote Originally Posted by I_A View Post
    lxqt did show up and install when I did the network install
    I think they're under customize
    Will try that.
    Do hope then that the network install works while the DVD doesn't, even if online repos are enabled.

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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    FWIW,
    I haven't found a way to install a brand new 42.2 with a properly working LXDE, LXQT or Mate using the DVD, the workaround(s) I posted earlier in this thread result in a number of imperfections which affect the User experience and have unknown long range consequences.

    Hope the above post about using the Network Install does work (will try that).
    Otherwise, the only method I have found that works is to install 42.1 with the desired Desktop, then upgrade to 42.2... with the additional caution to as always check to make sure you have sufficient free space. Already, I borked one attempt (corrupting the XFS home directory but not the entire fs on that partition) which will need extensive effort to attempt a repair (This experience revealed to me that checking and repairing XFS is not next to trivial like how EXT4 has come to be) or simply re-build.

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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    Nope, it looks like the Network Install Desktop selections are no different than the DVD (even with online repos enabled which I would think should have been automatic for a Network Install).

    Unless you're a seasoned LXDE or LXQT User, you may not notice the differences between what happens with a current 42.2 install and installs on previous versions of openSUSE. Just because you might not see any errors doesn't mean that your Desktop is installed properly.

    So, for now as I posted above
    If you want these Desktops you should install in a previous version of openSUSE and upgrade to 42.2 to get the proper "User experience."

    Unless someone can suggest <exact steps> to installing one of these Desktops directly into 42.2.

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    Following is a screenshot from a 42.2 Network Install I just attempted
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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omitted intentionally?

    I feel if this was an intentional move it is a shame as LXDE and Mate are useful on lower specced machines. It is, of course possible to install them aftterwards but in my opinion not ideal if you don't want all the extras that others have pulled in. ie I like to keep my install clean and simple.

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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omittedintentionally?

    On 11/25/2016 07:36 PM, Penguinclaw wrote:
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    > I feel if this was an intentional move it is a shame as LXDE and Mate
    > are useful on lower specced machines. It is, of course possible to
    > install them aftterwards but in my opinion not ideal if you don't want
    > all the extras that others have pulled in. ie I like to keep my install
    > clean and simple.
    >
    >


    It's been a while since I did a fresh install (using TW) but can't those
    changes be made from the install "summary" screen. You can modify what
    packages are being installed at that point. Seems a little more simple
    then installing an older version and doing a dup.

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    Default Re: 42.2 - Have all these Desktop options now been hidden or omittedintentionally?

    Quote Originally Posted by kensch View Post

    It's been a while since I did a fresh install (using TW) but can't those
    changes be made from the install "summary" screen. You can modify what
    packages are being installed at that point. Seems a little more simple
    then installing an older version and doing a dup.

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    But from an average user point of view only XFCE is offered as an alternative DE from KDE and Gnome. Would they know or have the skills necessary to find what they were after? openSUSE only offers the DVD and net-install; which they probably wouldn't want and is indeed not recommended for new installs....

    So from an end user, usability point of view things aren't as great :/

    On a side note I notice that there is a small openSUSE based distro called GeckoLinux, that offers alternative live DE's to try and install. Never tried it, but an interesting idea.

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