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    Default Stop pidgin update

    Good Morning, I have been cleaning up by desktop and removing applications that I do not use and one of them is pidgin, but when system updates come out I am still getting the recommended update for pidgin. I have checked my system and all of the files and directories for pidgin have been removed. What is my next step to prevent this update from reappearing?


    Bryan
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    Default Re: Stop pidgin update

    You said you "removed" it. But that is a general English term. What did you exactly do to remove it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    You said you "removed" it. But that is a general English term. What did you exactly do to remove it?
    HCVV,
    Let me correct myself I used used Yast and unistall pidgin. Then I used this command in a terminal to search for files associated with pidgin. No files were follow.

    Zypper search pidgin

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    Hm, I assume you mean
    Code:
    zypper search pidgin
    and not
    Zypper search pidgin
    That command does not search for files on your system. It searches for packages with the string pidgin in their name, in the repos your system is scubsribed to.

    Do you mean with "when system updates come out", that you do a YaST > Software > Online update and that the pidgin packet is in the list of Security or in the list of Recommended Updates?

    Or that you do a
    Code:
    zypper patch
    and that the pidgin package is in the list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    Hm, I assume you mean
    Code:
    zypper search pidgin
    and not
    That command does not search for files on your system. It searches for packages with the string pidgin in their name, in the repos your system is scubsribed to.

    Do you mean with "when system updates come out", that you do a YaST > Software > Online update and that the pidgin packet is in the list of Security or in the list of Recommended Updates?

    Or that you do a
    Code:
    zypper patch
    and that the pidgin package is in the list?
    Yes I used [Code]zypper search pidgin[Code]

    Thank you for clarifying the search feature, but the results that have an [i] indicates what package is installed. The package updates show up as notifications and pidgin is alsaus included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryansailer View Post
    Yes I used [Code]zypper search pidgin[Code]
    You get the CODE tags by clicking on the # button in the tool bar of the posty editor.
    Quote Originally Posted by bryansailer View Post
    Thank you for clarifying the search feature, but the results that have an [i] indicates what package is installed.
    You mean you have nowhere an i (indicating "installed") in the first colums (headed with S). Ok , that means you realy de-installed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bryansailer View Post
    The package updates show up as notifications and pidgin is alsaus included.
    I still have no indication which tool shows you this. I suggested YaST > Software > Online Update and zypper patch, but you did not tell where you see this.
    You seem to think that everybody has the same system as you have, use it in the same way as you do and thus will understand immediatly all the details when you only give some raw information. This is not the case.

    You can always do as root a
    Code:
    zypper patch
    check if it mentions any pidgin in what it is going to patch, when not say y to it. else say n, post the whole thing (prompt, command, output, next prompt) here for investigation.
    Henk van Velden

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryansailer View Post
    The package updates show up as notifications and pidgin is alsaus included.
    Henke asked you what exactly you did to uninstall pidgin, but your reply remained a little “generic”. My guess is that you did not remove all the associated libraries, plugins, etc that require pidgin as a dependency.
    ~Thank you for sharing an interesting problem.
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    Below is the output from the
    Code:
    zypper patch
    command

    Code:
    bryan@FamilyDesktop:~> sudo zypper patch
    root's password:
    Loading repository data...
    Reading installed packages...
    Resolving package dependencies...
    
    The following 2 NEW packages are going to be installed:
      libpurple-lang libpurple-tcl
    
    The following NEW patch is going to be installed:
      openSUSE-2016-1136
    
    The following package is going to be upgraded:
      libpurple
    
    1 package to upgrade, 2 new.
    Overall download size: 4.4 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation,
    additional 20.8 MiB will be used.
    Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
    Forgive me for providing generic answers earlier. I was responding with from my phone and having to write responses from memory. In an attempt to clarify when I log on to my desktop a I receive a notification on my desktop to let me know if any updates are available. On occasion I will run
    Code:
    zypper update
    but only as I feel the need to manually update my system. Is this automatic notification not a part of every openSUSE 42.1 OS? That is why I thought the update process was easy to understand. With the patches above I presses Y to have them applied. If my question needs further explanation please let me know.

    Bryan

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    Default Re: Stop pidgin update

    libpurple-lang - Languages for package pidgin
    Provides translations to the package pidgin
    libpurple-tcl - TCL Plugin Support for Pidgin
    TCL plugin loader for Pidgin. This package will allow you to write or use Pidgin plugins written in the TCL programming language.
    So they may have been drawn in when you installed pidgin and are still there. IMHO you can de-install them both.

    This illustrates that undoing the installation of some software package is not trivial. When you made no notes about the dependent packages that where installed with it (YaST tells you that), you are on your own.

    That brings us to the point why you want to de-install pidgin. Software that is installed, but not used is only using a very tiny amount of disk space.

    And about those notifications where you seem not to know where they are from. There are indeed desktops (but you never told us which one you use) that feature an update applet based on Packagekit. But many peeple dot not use that. I, for example, have Packagekit not installed. And your experience strengthens me in that policy.

    Again. never assume people do the same and use the same in the same manner as you do. This is Linux. Linux is about choice. Choice of desktop, choice of tool, choice of way to use the tools.

    Please take asking here as a serious matter. People here are for the most very willling to give some of there free time to help others. But they hope that time is spend efficient, not by asking for all the obvious details, but concentrating on the real problem. I know the learning curve in Linux is steep, but sitting down, and taking the time to gather information from your system in a post that has a logical step by step approach with evidence and not your conclusions alone (some of your conclusions above were outright wrong, weren't they?) will make a good problem description.

    And never forget, a good problem description contains three things, either point by point, or otherwise in the way it is formulated:
    1. what did you do;
    2. what did you expect to happen;
    3. what happened instead.


    Another help on asking in the internet is here (it is not 100% applicable to the openSUSE forums, but has some very good points): http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html
    Henk van Velden

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    So they may have been drawn in when you installed pidgin and are still there. IMHO you can de-install them both.
    I did a test install of pidgin and it drew in about 10 other packages which remained when I subsequently removed pidgin. this was all using YaST Software Management. Then I re-installed pidgin. Exited and re-entered SW Manager. Selected Dependencies → Clean Up. Selected pidgin for deletion, which offered to delete all the superfluous packages.
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