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    Default Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    Hi,
    i am trying to install opensuse tumbleweed on one of our work pcs whose system hard disc broke down (had opensuse 13.2 installed before), but
    this does not worked out as usual, at first i noticed, that after booting from the DVD and choosing "installation" everything took a lot of more time as i was expecting, i.e. the hardware detection and so on, and then the installation stuck at a black screen, but with the mouse course visible and movable (no lag). I think this is the GUI of the installed but without anything to see.
    To be clear: the installation did not really started at this point, i never got to see the GUI (choosing the language and so on as first steps). and i am waiting for 3 days no for it to go on.

    The pc is not the newest and i remember that i had problems with the graphic driver (the is an old NVIDIA card in, and i needed to install the propritary driver because with the noveau, it was not
    possbile to start KDE, i mean i could log in but then the interface was not really visible and usable, i had to install the nvidia driver via the console and then it works) as i installed op 13.2 a long
    time ago.

    So i hope that this is just a problem with the graphic driver, i remember there was an other pc i had to install opensuse and for it to work i needed to type "nomodeset" somewhere, maybe i have a similar problem here?
    Or is it possible that the PC is just to old? How can i test this? Is there maybe a live DVD i can try to boot from and then type some commands and give you the output?

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    older nvidia is a relative term what card do you have, for example the propitiatory driver for geforce 5 was abandoned with 13.1, while geforce2/3/4 wore dropped with 12.2 or 12.3 noevou and nv still work with those chips just don't use a big desktop try lxde or lxqt, TW is cutting edge if something was dropped years ago don't expect TW to support it, one more thing on TW the propitiatory nvidia driver needs to be installed the hard way as there are no prebuild drivers provided.
    you said older pc is it 64 bit, did you download the 32 or 64 bit flavor of TW, while TW does have a 32 bit version, that version is not as tested or supported.
    if 13.2 (or 13.1) worked you should stick to it.

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    If EFI install
    At boot press e then find line starting linux go to end of line add nomodeset this should then use fall back drivers

    IF mbr install

    select f3 and select nokms

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    Quote Originally Posted by gogalthorp View Post
    If EFI install
    At boot press e then find line starting linux go to end of line add nomodeset this should then use fall back drivers

    IF mbr install

    select f3 and select nokms
    the term efi does not got together with older pc and older nvidia, I'm thinking he has a 32bit pc low on ram and is trying to install a 64 bit bleeding edge OS (that's not a good idea)

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    Without further info............?

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    Ok here is some info:
    the pc is a 64 bit system, 4 GB of RAM, i am not sure about the graphic card maybe something like radeon 5000 (i need to check this on monday) and i try to install tumbleweed 64 bit on it.
    But just to be sure, if the system would be 32 bit, the 64 bit installer should give me a warning right?
    Normally i do not install the proprietary drivers on our work pcs, because it is not needed, this was the case for this pc also as i installed opensuse 13.2, but because of the problems with
    noveau i had to install the proprietary driver and it worked like a charm!
    I did it the "normal way" because it was opensuse 13.2 not tumbleweed, i know about the "hard way" also, thats the way i do it on all of the tumbleweed pcs i have/use.

    I try to install opensuse tumbleweed just for convenience, and because i want to check if the new noveau driver can handle the card now.
    The mainboard does not support EFI, thats why i install the normal way, from a DVD.

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    Quote Originally Posted by sabo007 View Post
    Ok here is some info:
    the pc is a 64 bit system, 4 GB of RAM, i am not sure about the graphic card maybe something like radeon 5000 (i need to check this on monday) and i try to install tumbleweed 64 bit on it.
    But just to be sure, if the system would be 32 bit, the 64 bit installer should give me a warning right?
    Normally i do not install the proprietary drivers on our work pcs, because it is not needed, this was the case for this pc also as i installed opensuse 13.2, but because of the problems with
    noveau i had to install the proprietary driver and it worked like a charm!
    I did it the "normal way" because it was opensuse 13.2 not tumbleweed, i know about the "hard way" also, thats the way i do it on all of the tumbleweed pcs i have/use.

    I try to install opensuse tumbleweed just for convenience, and because i want to check if the new noveau driver can handle the card now.
    The mainboard does not support EFI, thats why i install the normal way, from a DVD.
    I don't get why install an nvidia driver on a ati card
    if it's a 64bit pc I think you might have a geforce 6 (or 7/8) series they wore out when 64bit cpu's became popular, afaik they are still supported but on tw you will need to use the nvidia run file, there is no nvidia repository for tumbleweed
    http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/95154

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    Yes i know that there is no nvidia repository for tumbleweed, i have installed the proprietary nvidia driver on a lot of tumbleweed pcs before, thats not the problem here!
    But of course i have to correct what i said: it either has a nvidia card (then no radeon 5000) or it has a radeon card but then i did not installed the nvidia proprietary driver but the radeon proprietary driver, it was a long time ago as i did this and i did not remember. But my aim for this pc is as follows:
    I want to install tumbleweed on it and i want to use the open source driver!
    If i the open source driver does not work, i will install the proprietary driver (the hard way!)

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    OK I get it now
    your issue is the installer won't start?
    try running it in safe mode (there's an option)
    maybe the installer kernel does not recognize your hardware (as tw is rapidly changing dostro that does happen often)
    I'd say read this
    https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_help
    if you still have issues open a bug report at
    https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/
    you'll have to tell them your hardware in more detail and your issues,
    the open source drivers work good on some DE's bad on others, do not expect plasma 5 to run properly with the open source driver (there are a ton of issues with noevau that are yet to be fixed) you can always go with a light de like lxde, xfce or lxqt.

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    Default Re: Tying to install tumbleweed on older pc: stuck with black sceen with visible and moveable mouse

    ok i have an update:
    today i retried to install opensuse tumbleweed on this pc, the first thing i tried was to use the "nokms" option which was suggested above, and that worked!
    The installation is finished and also plasma 5 runs, but there is a problem: the screen resolution is 640x480 and i cannot change it!
    This is probably related to a problem with the driver. At least i checked with lspci which type of graphic card the pc has:
    Code:
    01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G72 [GeForce 7200 GS / 7300 SE] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
            Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
            Memory at fd000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
            Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
            Memory at fc000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
            Expansion ROM at 000c0000 [disabled] [size=128K]
            Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2
            Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
            Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
            Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
            Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting <?>
            Kernel modules: nouveau
    How can i check if the nouveau driver is used? If i check the system information from within plasma/kde it sais that at least for opengl som VMware driver (mesa) is used.

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