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  1. #1
    signetone NNTP User

    Default Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    Hi

    Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4

    I am not too happy with the operation of this desktop or maybe 11.1,
    it' very much like a windows environment.

    I used to run [and still do Suse 10.2 with KDE 3.5.] and was very happy
    with the operation.

    Can the KDE be changed? What are the implications?

    Thanks


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  2. #2
    smpoole7 NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    It's my understanding that you can install KDE 3.5, if you like. I
    couldn't get my @#$#! NVidia drivers to work with 11.1, so I haven't
    actually done that myself. YMMV. I'm still on 10.3.

    As for KDE 4 vs. 3, there are flame wars all over the Web about that.
    The "4" adherents are insisting that it's the future, the "3" diehards
    holler that "4" has been so dumbed-down as to be unusable.

    Just for the record, I'm in the "3" camp. I despise Dolphin, for
    starters, and I can't get Konqueror to work properly as a file browser
    under "4." I get faults and crashes. I miss my mouse-over previews, one
    of the coolest things ever put into a desktop. I also want some
    configuration options that have been left out of KDE 4.

    (One example, admittedly personal taste: I like my 4 desktops to be
    totally separate, complete with different wallpapers, and I do NOT
    display the icons from other desktops. I can get the icons to do what I
    want in "4," but not the wallpapers.)

    (Call me anal, but this has kept me from Gnome all these years -- that,
    and the fact that they still use the 1990's style "." and ".." in the
    file listing dialogs instead of the far more intuitive "up," "back" and
    etc. buttons.)

    I don't know when GUI designers are going to figure out that LAYERED
    config options are the way to go. When a new user first brings up the
    config dialogs, sure, keep it simple. But don't just REMOVE the more
    advanced options! Put a button on there (make it small, if you insist)
    that says, "Advanced Geek Stuff" or something.

    Bottom line: those of us who liked KDE 3 should be able to make KDE 4
    look and behave the same way. If they'd do that, I'd have no complaints.

    Again: my opinion and YMMV.


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  3. #3
    signetone NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    smpoole7;1928424 Wrote:
    > It's my understanding that you can install KDE 3.5, if you like. I
    > couldn't get my @#$#! NVidia drivers to work with 11.1, so I haven't
    > actually done that myself. YMMV. I'm still on 10.3.
    >
    > As for KDE 4 vs. 3, there are flame wars all over the Web about that.
    > The "4" adherents are insisting that it's the future, the "3" diehards
    > holler that "4" has been so dumbed-down as to be unusable.
    >
    > Just for the record, I'm in the "3" camp. I despise Dolphin, for
    > starters, and I can't get Konqueror to work properly as a file browser
    > under "4." I get faults and crashes. I miss my mouse-over previews, one
    > of the coolest things ever put into a desktop. I also want some
    > configuration options that have been left out of KDE 4.
    >
    > (One example, admittedly personal taste: I like my 4 desktops to be
    > totally separate, complete with different wallpapers, and I do NOT
    > display the icons from other desktops. I can get the icons to do what I
    > want in "4," but not the wallpapers.)
    >
    > (Call me anal, but this has kept me from Gnome all these years -- that,
    > and the fact that they still use the 1990's style "." and ".." in the
    > file listing dialogs instead of the far more intuitive "up," "back" and
    > etc. buttons.)
    >
    > I don't know when GUI designers are going to figure out that LAYERED
    > config options are the way to go. When a new user first brings up the
    > config dialogs, sure, keep it simple. But don't just REMOVE the more
    > advanced options! Put a button on there (make it small, if you insist)
    > that says, "Advanced Geek Stuff" or something.
    >
    > Bottom line: those of us who liked KDE 3 should be able to make KDE 4
    > look and behave the same way. If they'd do that, I'd have no
    > complaints.
    >
    > Again: my opinion and YMMV.


    Yes but with 11.1 loaded with KDE4 can it be changed?

    Thanks


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  4. #4
    silenuz NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    yes should be no problem having both KDE's installed. I too don't
    really like 4 much, but then again I'm only now starting to consider 3
    usable. ( I use windowmaker most of the time ( ancient I know), the
    rest of the time xfce), however I do also have login sessions for Kde 3
    + 4 ( the wife ), and for just in case Gnome, Enlightenment, and Ice.


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  5. #5
    smpoole7 NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    Yeah, install KDE 3.5, then restart. When you get to your login screen,
    you can choose your session with an option at the bottom left (if I
    remember correctly).

    For that matter, you could install Gnome, too, then choose your
    session.

    If you have autologin enabled, when you get into your desktop, use "End
    Session," then choose the session once you get back out to the login
    screen.

    BTW, true Linux geeks will say that you don't need to reboot after
    installing 3.5 on top of 4. I personally recommend it. That's just me.



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  6. #6
    signetone NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    smpoole7;1928510 Wrote:
    > Yeah, install KDE 3.5, then restart. When you get to your login screen,
    > you can choose your session with an option at the bottom left (if I
    > remember correctly).
    >
    > For that matter, you could install Gnome, too, then choose your
    > session.
    >
    > If you have autologin enabled, when you get into your desktop, use "End
    > Session," then choose the session once you get back out to the login
    > screen.
    >
    > BTW, true Linux geeks will say that you don't need to reboot after
    > installing 3.5 on top of 4. I personally recommend it. That's just me.
    >


    I have just installed 11.1 DVD and chose KDE4.

    When you say load KDE3.5? any idea how? would it be in YAST?

    Thanks


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  7. #7
    BoloMarkIII NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    Goto Yast > Software Management > select "Patters" from the filter
    dropdown > select KDE3 Base & Desktop > install > logout > select KDE3
    session (options botton left) > login.


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  8. #8
    signetone NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    BoloMarkIII;1928533 Wrote:
    > Goto Yast > Software Management > select "Patters" from the filter
    > dropdown > select KDE3 Base & Desktop > install > logout > select KDE3
    > session (options botton left) > login.

    Hi

    Yes thanks - worked second time.

    Will it be automatic now? to KDE3.5 or do I need to do anything else?
    Like remove KDE4 etc.

    I seemed to have to log into Suse 11.1 then as you say logout then
    choose and login?

    Thanks


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  9. #9
    else where NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    No need to remove KDE4, the login manager will automatically log you in
    to the previous DE. If you're using KDE 3.5, it will default to logging
    you into KDE 3.5 until you explicitly select a different DE.

    Cheers,
    KV


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  10. #10
    signetone NNTP User

    Default Re: Loaded Suse 11.1 with KDE4


    else_where;1928563 Wrote:
    > No need to remove KDE4, the login manager will automatically log you in
    > to the previous DE. If you're using KDE 3.5, it will default to logging
    > you into KDE 3.5 until you explicitly select a different DE.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > KV


    Hi

    Thanks - just getting the desktop looking like the other in 10.2

    I do like this desktop and it is what I am used to and so 'obvious' if
    you get my meaning.

    I cannot get on with KDE4 at all.


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