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  1. #11
    growbag NNTP User

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    Yeah, but have a look at that picture I put up in post #2, it says that
    (for example) there is an update for libqt4.

    If there is a newer version available; as I believe there is seeing as
    the available version # is higher than the installed version #; why is
    that not updated?

    Also I run KDE 4.2 beta (4.1.8.5 - Beta2 release 3.1), and I see people
    on the forum talking about 4.2 rc1. How come I haven't been offered the
    update for that?

    Like I said, it feels like there is something not right here.


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  2. #12
    Yosuf Mossad Mohammed Vitriolus NNTP User

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    > What am I doing wrong?

    not understanding that there is a difference between "updates",
    "upgrades" and an "adds"..

    updates do NOT normally change the version of software, it just
    updates it, usually for security or bug fixes...the fewer of those
    you see means that the distro as distributed was pretty good (in
    terms of stability and security--we have not seen that since about
    SUSE 9.x)..

    upgrades usually change the version number of the software and add
    (or take away) specific capabilities..

    the SUSE updater is built to support the former, but also sometimes
    works to do the latter, but it is not so often that a version change
    is necessary to meet user needs (not the case for the current KDE4
    development which updates and upgrades very often)..

    if you want a constant flurry of NEW upgrades (_not_ updates) you
    have to activate those sources in YaST > Software Repositories..

    HOWEVER you are asking for trouble if you just turn on the
    changes....if you do that, do NOT expect a stable/usable system to
    last very long!

  3. #13
    growbag NNTP User

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    OK, that makes some sense, thanks.

    So I guess my next logical question is why then are the "upgrades"
    advertised as "patches" then?

    Surely a "patch" is an "update", not an "upgrade" and should be listed
    as an "upgrade" instead.

    Maybe that would make things a little clearer for us "inexperienced"
    users.


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  4. #14
    Yosuf Mossad Mohammed Vitriolus NNTP User

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    > Maybe that would make things a little clearer for us "inexperienced"
    > users.


    confuses me too..

    using a world wide development community with many different
    "mother-tongues" it is really kinda amazing that EVERYTHING is not
    just a little confusing..

    on the other hand, if you want all your instructions/buttons/etc in
    pure North American English, you can PAY for that by buying from
    Redmond....but, you might find that MORE confusing...i do.

  5. #15
    growbag NNTP User

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    Sorry to revive this old thread, but perhaps this makes it a little
    clearer as to why I am so confused....

    [image: http://christiane.homeip.net:42000/snapshot006a.jpg]

    That *-is-* a doctored image, but only to make it easier to upload.
    Both those were on the screen at the same time, I simply moved the
    update applet box over the top of the terminal, removed my username, and
    cropped it.

    As you can see, command line zypper gives me lots of updates, and the
    desktop update applet says there are no updates available!

    Odd eh?


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  6. #16
    Yosuf Mossad Mohammed Vitriolus NNTP User

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    growbag wrote:
    > Sorry to revive this old thread, but perhaps this makes it a little
    > clearer as to why I am so confused....
    >
    > [image: http://christiane.homeip.net:42000/snapshot006a.jpg]


    like i said earlier, you must pay attention to the difference between
    upgrade and updates

    your posted image clearly shows that "the following are going to be
    upgraded" (not just updated, but upgraded)..

    ok, so the Updater applet says "no updates available"....which is the
    SAME you saw in the zypper terminal--see there are no updates ready
    to load, only upgrades..

    my understanding is that the openSUSE Updater Applet only offers
    *upgrades* if you check "Show available upgrades when backend
    provides them (for experts only)" in the configure dialog...if you do
    that, THEN you should get all updates AND upgrades with the updater
    applet AND "zypper update" in the terminal..

    in zypper man i read that the command you use "zypper update" will
    "Update all installed packages or other resolvables with patches or
    their newer versions, where applicable." ... that "newer versions"
    includes "upgrades"..

    see? it is just a word game to keep you off balance.

    or, to make it a little clearer maybe "zypper update" should NOT
    include "newer versions", maybe to get that you should have to type
    "zypper update upgrade"..

    have fun...it is all just to see if you are paying attention!

  7. #17
    growbag NNTP User

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    Paying attention is unfortunately not my strong point .


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  8. #18
    Yosuf Mossad Mohammed Vitriolus NNTP User

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    > Paying attention is unfortunately not my strong point .

    but fortunately, if one recognizes, accepts and admits a personal
    weak point then s/he *can* take steps to overcome it..

    like, the NEXT time you become confused with openSUSE (or whatever),
    before coming to the conclusion that something is wrong, just take a
    deeper, more at tentative look at the situation (before giving up,
    gettin mad, posting, or whatever)..

    NOT that you did anything wrong...i get confused all the
    time...sometimes i can pay better attention to the problem at hand
    and think my way out of the confusion...sometimes not..

    we are all the same.

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