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  1. #1
    gumb NNTP User

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    I've been running openSUSE versions from 9.2 onwards on a dual-boot
    laptop, which has a messy partition scheme including a Windows XP
    installation. Since I practically never use Windows, I'm seeking soon to
    do a reformat of the whole drive and a fresh installation of SUSE 11.1
    with a virtualized copy of my Windows system available in case I need
    it.

    Virtualization is completely new on me and most of the terminology goes
    way over my head. I was thinking I'd use Virtualbox since it allows
    Windows XP as a guest, but upon reading their FAQs I'm not sure if I can
    use it to make a virtual machine of my existing Windows installation? I
    know VMWare has such an option but is that the only one? What would be
    the best method for going about this?

    Also, is it possible to put the XP virtual machine on some other medium
    like a DVD or USB stick, and run it directly off there as and when
    required?


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    geoffro NNTP User

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    If you have a windows cd you will be able to run it in virtualbox or
    vmware.
    You can use wmware to make an image of you windows setup but not with
    the free version.
    If you dot have any specific settings there are to ways to do things
    1. Use your cd to install in a VM
    2. Make a bootable iso of the cd which you store on your pc and install
    from that.
    The second version is what i prefer as i don't need to load the cd if i
    want to add/remove something from windows

    If you want to make an iso with service packs there's a tutorial 'here'
    (http://www.helpwithwindows.com/Windo...p2-bootcd.html) just
    skip the last step and then use 'magiciso'
    (http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/mi...c-overview.htm) to
    convert to an iso

    /Geoff


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    Ecky NNTP User

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    There's a great program for customising windows installations and making
    a bootable disk that allows slipstreaming service packs, hotixes and
    drivers very easily that I've used for a number of years

    It's caled nLite, this is their site: 'nLite - Deployment Tool for the
    bootable Unattended Windows installation' (http://www.nliteos.com/)

    They also have a version for vista called vLite that I've also used and
    found works just as well as nLite, though it doesn't have as many
    'tweaking' options yet as nLite


    I have seen a tutorial somewhere on making a vm of an existing windows
    installation for vbox, but what you had to do with hal to get it booting
    made it such a rigmarole that it's probably quicker to just make a vm
    using a fresh install as geoffro described ... at least that's how it
    seemed to me

    If that xp has been on there since the days of suse 9.2 it's probably
    well overdue a re-install anyway


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    gumb NNTP User

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    Sorry, I forgot to mention one crucial thing -

    I don't have the CD!

    I have a feeling there is some tedious and laborious way to go about
    creating installation discs, although I had a feeling that something I
    once did to the system precluded that possibility. Finding all this out
    will mean rebooting and spending at least 5 minutes in a raw Windows
    environment, which may be bad for my health.

    Ideally, though, I wanted to avoid having to do a fresh install of the
    Windows installation, as I did configure quite a lot of things and spent
    what seemed like days downloading all the necessary Windows updates when
    I first got this laptop. It would be nice if there were some way to just
    freeze it exactly as it is now and make a virtualized version.


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    Ecky NNTP User

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    I found the tutorial I mentioned in my previous post, and it doesn't
    look as tricky as I remembered, but then it was a while ago I found it

    Here's the page: 'Migrate_Windows - VirtualBox'
    (http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows)

    If you can't get it working I do have an idea for another way that may
    well work, let us know how you get on and if you can't get the method
    above working I'll test it out for ya, I may well just try it anyway out
    of curiosity


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    gumb NNTP User

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    Thanks for the offer of help. I read through the Virtualbox page you
    suggested, and whilst it may not be over-complicated in itself, having
    seen some forum posts on their site it seems that the whole process is
    somewhat dodgy and not thoroughly tested. One person suggests that the
    program they recommend for merging the IDE channels totally ruined their
    system. It only really covers the import side of things. To actually
    export an existing Windows system with Virtualbox seems like a very bad
    idea at the present time.

    I had another look through the VMWare site and it seems that the VMWare
    Converter product would make a fairly pain-free copy of my existing
    Windows installation, and it's a free download, whilst the VMWare Player
    would then import it in Linux, and that's also free. What I don't quite
    understand is the default VMware tools provided in openSUSE. They state
    'Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
    implementation of VMware Tools', and there's mention of them being
    usable for Unix-based guests. I don't know if these would be sufficient
    for importing my Windows machine or whether I must specifically download
    some other proprietary version from the VMWare site (registration is
    required before I can get to that step or see what the files are).

    Alas, all this now has to take a back seat once again since some other
    problems I'm having with my system have re-emerged, just after I thought
    I'd finally banished them. Until I can figure out a way of not being
    dumped at a command line login every time I boot the system I've no
    intention of doing a major reformat and reinstall, possibly only to find
    that problem still exists.


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    Ecky NNTP User

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    Sounds like your graphics drivers aren't properly installed

    You usually get a message regarding runlevel 5 just above the login
    prompt when this happens (going from a vague memory it says something
    like runlevel 5 not reached)

    Is that the case with you?


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  8. #8
    gumb NNTP User

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    I get to runlevel 5 but no graphical login. I posted on it earlier,
    here:
    'cli instead of graphical login with kde3/4 - openSUSE Forums'
    (http://tinyurl.com/6vokxv)

    I've tried absolutely everything I can think of now, aside from either
    reinstalling the system or installing the proprietary ATI driver. I'm
    waiting for the latter to reinstate the repository for openSUSE 11.1
    before I try it. However, all my attempts to install the ATI driver in
    the past ballsed up my system so I'm not holding out too much hope.

    I switched the login from kdm to kdm3, and for a couple of times it
    worked, but not any longer. Auto-login is disabled, by the way (many
    others have got problems at the moment due to that but it doesn't affect
    me). I've spent the last two weeks exhausting every other possibility
    and my days have been dull as dishwater

    I'd like to post a bug report but the whole thing is so vague I
    wouldn't really know where to start or what log info to include. I don't
    know if the problem lies with Xorg, the Radeon driver, kdm, the KDE4
    implementation, or some other SUSE-specific configuration with the 11.1
    release.


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    randux NNTP User

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    I'm running a Win XP guest in openSUSE 11.1, I installed VirtualBox and
    it is amazingly fast and simple to use.

    Don't forget to add your userid to vboxusers unless you want to run it
    as root and don't forget to

    chmod +x /etc/init.d/rc.vboxdrv so the kernel mod will be loaded at
    boot time.


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    Ecky NNTP User

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    I would certainly try installing the Ati driver manually, doesn't sound
    like it can make things any worse and may help

    Get it here: 'Drivers & Software'
    (http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.HTML)

    My wife's machine is on a radeon x1650 and it works ok on a manual
    install of the driver

    I do have to use aticonfig --initial to get it working properly though


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