View Poll Results: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

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  • Disappointed with the regressions

    11 68.75%
  • Pleased with the regressions

    0 0%
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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    To add one.

    I want to set displaying short date to YYYY-MM-DD. In earlier KDE settings I could do that because the interface offered that format as one of it's options.

    Now the interface offers me an endless list of all countries of the world .
    What am I supposed to do with that? Starting at the top and try them out until I find one that produces YYYY-MM-DD?
    ... well, that should help improve your grade in Geography class ...
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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Christophe_deR View Post
    YES, i am also disappointed !!!

    So many lacks of features are doing that i don't know how to replace my old 13.1 .
    And i am confused because i was waiting for 42.1 to replace it.
    And i don't know how to find a correct desktop for every day use.
    I also need some good desktop to run a small company at home.
    13.1 with kde4 was good for that, but 42.1 with plasma5 is not good.

    Many features are missing on plasma 5, such as
    - the favorite launcher with a click on the desktop,
    - the BII window decoration,
    - the bold for highlight characters in Misc Fixed font in konsole
    - klipper doesn't display a long list of the last cut/copied text (only 10 last)
    - the systray doesn't obey me when i want to force him to display the battery state, the network state or any other systray element
    - there were also some strange behaviors at the beginning with the network applet, which seems to be repaired.

    This really too much.

    Moreover, Leap also has some other flaws like fail2ban which doesn’t work anymore unless you change the systemd logger.

    We have a real problem here.
    Okay, but many of these are not regressions, instead are bugs or items being worked on. I hope those who vote actually are able to distinguish between what is a regression, and what is a bug, as that makes a difference in this poll.

    I thank you for your feedback, and I am finding this interesting.
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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    The difficulty (and dislike) I have with all such polls (of many different toics) is the deliberate limiting of the scope - where such typically is necessary for the questions in the poll. When the forum was created years ago - I was not in favour of a section on polls, but it was put in place by popular demand and I thought it best to go with the majority on this forum area (despite my dislike for such).

    wrt the subject of this specific poll, one may agree in the end wrt disappointment with Plasma-5 feature regressions ... but I think one could change the topic on a poll (any poll) to most areas about unhappiness wrt feature regressions on any subject and there will be those who state they are disappointed. It tends to be the nature of many users to want more features - so it stands to reason they will be disappointed with feature regressions.

    The move to Plasma-5 and KDE goes because the majority (all ? ) of the developers no longer were supporting KDE-4. Ergo there was no real choice her for a long lasting version of KDE as KDE-4 could no longer provide such. The vast majority of KDE users pay NOTHING for KDE. They just take and use. Yet polls such as this do not mention (nor even provide a link) to address that - wanting something for nothing - wanting long life support but not mentioning KDE4 support had stopped - and hence uninformed users who see such a poll as this can jump to the wrong conclusion.

    Having expressed my podium view wrt a strong dislike for most polls (of which this is no exception) I do note the link to Martin Gräßlin's view on this was interesting and my thanks to deano_ferrai for posting such. https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/bl...y-of-plasma-5/
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    The difficulty (and dislike) I have with all such polls (of many different toics) is the deliberate limiting of the scope - where such typically is necessary for the questions in the poll. When the forum was created years ago - I was not in favour of a section on polls, but it was put in place by popular demand and I thought it best to go with the majority on this forum area (despite my dislike for such).

    wrt the subject of this specific poll, one may agree in the end wrt disappointment with Plasma-5 feature regressions ... but I think one could change the topic on a poll (any poll) to most areas about unhappiness wrt feature regressions on any subject and there will be those who state they are disappointed. It tends to be the nature of many users to want more features - so it stands to reason they will be disappointed with feature regressions.

    The move to Plasma-5 and KDE goes because the majority (all ? ) of the developers no longer were supporting KDE-4. Ergo there was no real choice her for a long lasting version of KDE as KDE-4 could no longer provide such. The vast majority of KDE users pay NOTHING for KDE. They just take and use. Yet polls such as this do not mention (nor even provide a link) to address that - wanting something for nothing - wanting long life support but not mentioning KDE4 support had stopped - and hence uninformed users who see such a poll as this can jump to the wrong conclusion.

    Having expressed my podium view wrt a strong dislike for most polls (of which this is no exception) I do note the link to Martin Gräßlin's view on this was interesting and my thanks to deano_ferrai for posting such. https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/bl...y-of-plasma-5/
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    Very well said, and very good points. I appreciate your input. And, of course, this is not about openSUSE, as the direction of LEAP is a promising one, and there was simply no choice but to go with Plasma5. KDE4 simply is not an option with openSUSE going forward, since it is essentially EOL, as you again point out here and as is pointed out in many other places.

    Although you do not like polls, contributions to the discussion such as yours in this post are the main goal I had in mind when creating this poll. Both the pros and the cons are important elements of the discussion, and it is good to get them wrapped into this single thread so all points of view can be presented, discussed, and considered.

    It is educational and provides the opportunity to point out facts and information that may not have been considered otherwise.

    Bringing it all together in one place, like this, is much better than having "sound clips" here and there in scattered threads. (And, yes, I admit to having indulged in that practice, which is why I decided I wanted to bring it all into focus in its own thread.

    The poll is just a starting point, and so far I think the results in the discussion are proof it was worth it.

    And, yes, in reference to deano_ferrari's provided link, I was planning on posting a thank you for that, something we might not have seen if I had not started this poll. Yes, I followed the link and found it interesting and educational. I hope to see more such contributions, both pro and con, here in the future.

    Thanks again for your input, and thanks to all who have and who might in the future add their input to this thread.
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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    As with almost every poll: be aware of what the results represent, before drawing any conclusions. Since you do not specify "feature regressions" in the poll itself, the results mean nothing IMHO. You can see that reflected in the replies.
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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    I am not very interested in the poll, because that will be of course a very biased one (as most polls in real life).

    But the discussion is interesting as it gathers several points where people are disappointed in on thread.

    Some above discuss if these points people are disappointed about are "regressions" or not. That may depend on the definition of "regression", but IMHO it is not very important if they are regressions, bugs, features, or simply "we do not offer that anymore"s. It is about things users used for years and now, on what they see as an update of the product, are simply gone. And remember, some of these things that are simply goen, were existing from before KDE existed.

    Another point made is, you did not pay for it, thus why do you complain (to formulate it very blunt). That is also not the subject IMHO of this thread. The subject is that some of us are disappointed. Users want to use their computers to get some production, where in many cases production is definitely something different then instaling and testing new versions. Installing and testing new versions is simply an annoyance you have to go through now and then. And when then, during testing, it means that the way you did your production work for years is hampered by the removal of basic things, you are disappointed.

    For many it means
    • visiting forums like these (or KDE's) to find out if others see the same and if it will be repaired in due time or is gone forever;
    • checking how long your existing openSUSE version is still supported: how much time do I have left to find a solution'
    • start finding out if other DEs offer what you need.
    • either if you decide to live with the new KDE or with another DE, inform and retrain your users (even if you have only one end-user, yourself), you must train yourself to do your day-today work different).


    No, the word "disappointed" is IMHO a very low-level word to express the frustration one might have. And I hope this thread gathers more of those points found by others, because I have stopped testing Leap 42.1 and the new KDE, it taking to much resources.
    Henk van Velden

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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    I have stopped testing Leap 42.1 and the new KDE, it taking to much resources.
    So have i.
    And i regret it, because i need a good working environment, like 13.1 is.

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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knurpht View Post
    As with almost every poll: be aware of what the results represent, before drawing any conclusions. Since you do not specify "feature regressions" in the poll itself, the results mean nothing IMHO. You can see that reflected in the replies.
    Agreed. It could have been better worded. But, in all honesty, I really am not interested in the actual results of the poll. I just used it as a place to collect the discussion together.

    In reality, I am not looking for an actual result other than the discussion.

    As for points such as some make, about actually attacking the KDE Devs (or, even less valid, the openSUSE Devs, who did not make the KDE decisions), I actually believe that is counter-productive and mostly unjustified. The Plasma5 Desktop is not a commercial product, as already pointed out in this thread, and we do not purchase it. In the end, we must be gratefull for what we get to benefit from for free, even if we have some dissatisfaction with it.

    I do find this discussion makes me stop and rethink the situation, which results in some backtracking on my own attitude. I think it may have the same effect on others, and so I think it is a good discussion.

    There is no such thing as an accurate poll, IMHO, yet the results of this thread might provide a lot of insight and more understanding of what actually goes on in these decisions.
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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    I am not very interested in the poll, because that will be of course a very biased one (as most polls in real life).

    But the discussion is interesting as it gathers several points where people are disappointed in on thread.

    Some above discuss if these points people are disappointed about are "regressions" or not. That may depend on the definition of "regression", but IMHO it is not very important if they are regressions, bugs, features, or simply "we do not offer that anymore"s. It is about things users used for years and now, on what they see as an update of the product, are simply gone. And remember, some of these things that are simply goen, were existing from before KDE existed.

    Another point made is, you did not pay for it, thus why do you complain (to formulate it very blunt). That is also not the subject IMHO of this thread. The subject is that some of us are disappointed. Users want to use their computers to get some production, where in many cases production is definitely something different then instaling and testing new versions. Installing and testing new versions is simply an annoyance you have to go through now and then. And when then, during testing, it means that the way you did your production work for years is hampered by the removal of basic things, you are disappointed.

    For many it means
    • visiting forums like these (or KDE's) to find out if others see the same and if it will be repaired in due time or is gone forever;
    • checking how long your existing openSUSE version is still supported: how much time do I have left to find a solution'
    • start finding out if other DEs offer what you need.
    • either if you decide to live with the new KDE or with another DE, inform and retrain your users (even if you have only one end-user, yourself), you must train yourself to do your day-today work different).


    No, the word "disappointed" is IMHO a very low-level word to express the frustration one might have. And I hope this thread gathers more of those points found by others, because I have stopped testing Leap 42.1 and the new KDE, it taking to much resources.
    Every single point in this posting by Henk is something I agree with 100%. See, this is what I was looking for, and so clearly stated in this post!

    Thank you, hcvv
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    Default Re: Are you disappointed with the feature regressions in Plasma5?

    BTW: I also think -- and hope -- that this thread might inspire a few more people to roll up their sleeves and pitch in.

    I have not programmed in a few decades, other than some minor scripting. I programmed in ML (hand assembling!) and Assembler (PDP-11, 6809e, 8808, 68020, 68030, 80286, 80386), Pascal/Turbo Pascal, and -- of course -- Basic.

    Early on, though, I was led in a different IT direction and left programming behind. I had some wiz's to assign any programming projects to, so it was ridiculous for me to do any of it.

    However, now that I am retired, I have time to explore new things. This thread -- and a couple of things I explored before starting this thread -- has me poking my nose in a C++ text, getting ready to crash-course myself.

    Maybe it will help spur others along, and maybe we will get a few more FOSS contributors out of this, especially for openSUSE?

    That would be an excellent result of this discussion.
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