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    Default better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    on my laptop PC=Dell latitude E6510, RAM=8Gb, GPU=GT218 NVS 3100M, CPU=i7 Q 720 @ 1.60GHz, OS=opensuse 13.2 KDE= 4.14.9
    I have a 3boot system, windows, opensuse13.2 for normal use, opensuse13.2 for emergency.
    in these days I have time and I would like to try to upgrade one of the two 13.2 to leap42.
    I red a bit around and found that there are still problems with leap42.

    do you think is better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    my use of 13.2 is with KDE and mainly involve:
    libreoffice,gimp, okular, the gnome pdf viewer, gwenview, inkscape,
    dolphin with search and filter bar and all the KIM menues to convert files images songs and sftp and ssh and smb protocols and use of AFS filesystem
    networkmanager with VPN cabled and wireless, owncloud, bluetooth, dropbox, kdewallet(but I can survive without it),
    fast user switch with multiple users with different languages
    firefox, chrome, chromium, rekonq, midori, epiphany, qupzilla,thunderbird, kde connect,telegram messenger,
    six desktops with different wallpapers and two activities
    greek italian english and russian keyboard layout,
    skype, clementine, sound, smplayer, hplip,xsane, ktorrent, kwrite, luckybackup, k3b, avidemux, kmid, cheese cam viewer, krename, gparted, ksysguard, konsole, kcharselect, ark, kcalc, pdf mod, ksnapshot, efax,
    kontact kaddress,ktimer, klipper,paste,kmix, knotes,, krusader,
    manage print jobs, beclock,
    playonlinux, wine, virtualbox, q4wine

    manythanks, :-) ciao :-) pier

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Quote Originally Posted by pier_andreit View Post
    six desktops with different wallpapers and two activities
    The newest KDE (whatever it's name) does not support different backgrounds for the different desktops you have. Making their use, well unusable imho.
    There is a hefty discussion going on here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143
    Henk van Velden

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    I've been running LEAP a week before it officially was released (I did a live upgrade from the ftp) and I haven't had a real issue, the 2 window bug in vlc is fixed (that was the only thing I noticed)
    I did upgrade to plasma 5.5 from
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/
    TW is a different animal, it's a rolling distribution always with the latest and greatest but has more bugs and no official video drivers for nvidia/ati if that seams appealing do try it.


    I know there has been a lot of changes in plasma5 but if you use wolfi's repo you can have both kde4 and plasma5 on your LEAP (just search the forums on how to do it)

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    I have Leap running on my laptop Lenovo Ideapad Z580, from the day Leap 42.1 was out. I am running it with KDE5. KDE 5.4 is little buggy and sometimes crashes (mainly KRunner). Also I have this bug: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954146

    I recommend you to stay with your current working system and upgrade to Leap when 42.2 will be out - January 2017 or so, around that time openSUSE 13.2 will end its lifetime support.
    At home I am running openSUSE 13.2 with KDE4 and for now I wouldn't gain anything upgrading to Leap 42.1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    The newest KDE (whatever it's name) does not support different backgrounds for the different desktops you have. Making their use, well unusable imho.
    There is a hefty discussion going on here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143
    ...this is a bad news, without multiple desktop with different wallpaper, that I use strongly, I agree that it make KDE as usable as windows :-) ...one point for 13.2
    Quote Originally Posted by kacernator
    ...At home I am running openSUSE 13.2 with KDE4 and for now I wouldn't gain anything upgrading to Leap 42.1.
    ...good, another point for 13.2..
    Quote Originally Posted by I_A
    TW is a different animal, it's a rolling distribution always with the latest and greatest but has more bugs and no official video drivers for nvidia/ati if that seams appealing do try it.
    ...without official video drivers for nvidia is difficult for me to use TW, maybe with NOUVEAU , one point against TW
    Quote Originally Posted by I_A
    I know there has been a lot of changes in plasma5 but if you use wolfi's repo you can have both kde4 and plasma5 on your LEAP (just search the forums on how to do it)
    ...hmm, this is a good news, do you intend "have both kde4 and plasma5" on LEAP or only on TW??
    so, one point for LEAP42 but with kde4,
    two points for 13.2, -1 for TW

    manythanks to all, ciao, :-) pier

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    wolfy ported/tweaked plasma 5 a while ago and his repo has plasma 5 for 13.1 13.2 LEAP and TW,

    if you go the standard rute you can't have both kde4 and plasma5 on any version, for that you'd need to get kde4 from the regular oss repo and plasma5 from wolfi's repo

    under 13.2 you'd need to add the following 2 repo's repo's
    for an updated Qt5.5
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt5/openSUSE_13.2/
    and wolfi's with plasma5
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/wolfi323:/branches:/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_13.2/
    then you need to install the plasma5 patterns from wolfi's repo and you might need to do a zypper dup with the above repo's to get the proper packages

    LEAP comes with plasma5.4 so to get both you'd need to install kde4 packages from the standard repo's
    Code:
    zypper in kdebase4-session kdebase4-workspace kdebase4-runtime kdelibs4support kscreen kate4-parts konsole4-part kdm
    then add wolfi's plasma5 for leap (no need for the extra qt5 repo as leap has it)
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/wolfi323:/branches:/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/
    and install plasma5 from wolfi's repo, you might need to do a zypper dup with it.

    For TW is basicly the same as LEAP install the kde4 packages add wolfi's TW repo and install plasma5 from there
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/wolfi323:/branches:/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/

    ps wolfi has the latest plasma 5.5 for LEAP 13.2

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Quote Originally Posted by I_A View Post
    wolfy ported/tweaked plasma 5 a while ago and his repo has plasma 5 for 13.1 13.2 LEAP and TW,
    ps wolfi has the latest plasma 5.5 for LEAP 13.2
    ...manythanks, very interesting, I'm thinking to upgrade to LEAP42 one of the 13.2 installation and then have both KDE4 and plasma5, but, I will choose kde4 or plama5 at the login like gnome or xfce?? or I'll have kde4 and plasma5 running simultaneously??

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    Quote Originally Posted by pier_andreit View Post
    ...manythanks, very interesting, I'm thinking to upgrade to LEAP42 one of the 13.2 installation and then have both KDE4 and plasma5, but, I will choose kde4 or plama5 at the login like gnome or xfce?? or I'll have kde4 and plasma5 running simultaneously??
    you can chose from the logon screen, and you can use kdm or sddm on LEAP, when I last tried sddm on 13.2 it didn't work but maybe it was fixed.

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 18:26:01 GMT
    pier andreit <pier_andreit@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:

    > I_A Wrote:
    > > TW is a different animal, it's a rolling distribution always with
    > > the latest and greatest but has more bugs and no official video
    > > drivers for nvidia/ati if that seams appealing do try it.

    > ...without official video drivers for nvidia is difficult for me to
    > use TW, maybe with NOUVEAU , one point against TW


    I managed to run the latest TW with just the standard nouveau driver
    for nearly 24 hours without any glitches showing up. Mind you, I didn't
    have desktop effects switched on - though that hasn't saved me from
    fairly swift freezes in the past.

    Had to quit a couple of times before I could run any longer because one
    window of Dolphin froze in one session and then vanished in a
    subsequent one. As I wanted to get some work done, I just switched back
    to Old Faithful (13.2).

    I also find that having to manually save a session before logging off
    from TW and Leap is a real irritant.

    --
    Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
    openSUSE 13.2 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.9; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
    Kernel: 4.3.3; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (Driver: nouveau);
    Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)

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    Default Re: better to stay with 13.2 or upgrade to leap or tumbleweed??

    On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 18:26:01 GMT
    pier andreit <pier_andreit@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:

    > I_A Wrote:
    > > TW is a different animal, it's a rolling distribution always with
    > > the latest and greatest but has more bugs and no official video
    > > drivers for nvidia/ati if that seams appealing do try it.

    > ...without official video drivers for nvidia is difficult for me to
    > use TW, maybe with NOUVEAU , one point against TW


    I managed to run the latest TW with just the standard nouveau driver
    for nearly 24 hours without any glitches showing up. Mind you, I didn't
    have desktop effects switched on - though that hasn't saved me from
    fairly swift freezes in the past.

    Had to quit a couple of times before I could run any longer because one
    window of Dolphin froze in one session and then vanished in a
    subsequent one. As I wanted to get some work done, I just switched back
    to Old Faithful (13.2).

    I also find that having to manually save a session before logging off
    from TW and Leap is a real irritant.

    --
    Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
    openSUSE 13.2 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.9; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
    Kernel: 4.3.3; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (Driver: nouveau);
    Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)

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